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  • pseudocomposer 57 minutes ago
    This whole article led me to believe that a lot of people who work in big-corp news orgs don’t really understand what the rest of our lives are like in many ways. Be it the Times, Post, Fox News, or CNN, they think they are the centers of the universe. They think they themselves are critically important, not people being able to access accurate news.

    Over the last century or so, our smaller local media orgs have been eaten up by massive corporations. I don’t think that’s been particularly good for us, nor do I think people who’ve learned to thrive in these sorts of organizations really see that what’s happening now is just a more overt version of what’s happened over the last century or so.

    As for solutions to all this? I think these folks, the ones who really care, need to start leaving and forming their own independent, smaller news orgs. And if it’s not affordable for them to do so in cities like LA or NYC (hint: those places aren’t affordable for anyone), they need to do this in other parts of the country.

    (Really, this applies to everyone in every industry: if you don’t like what big corporations and evermore shareholder-driven economies are doing, go work for smaller companies that don’t have shareholders.)

    • skybrian 14 hours ago
      I don't read the opinion section because you can get opinions anywhere and there are better blogs on Substack. The news reporting in the Washington Post seems as good as ever, as far as I can tell.
      • zpeti 5 hours ago
        Journalists should have realised a long time ago that their opinions are a commodity, and they will destroy their entire industry by focusing on opinions and not on on-the-ground reporting. But they doubled down, and decided to be as opinionated as possible. Of course this was tempting, because emotional propaganda gets more clicks.

        But I think there would still be a market for a 1990s BBC style on the ground, completely opinion free reporting, and someone could fill this niche because a lot of people WOULD actually pay for this. But it would take a big investment and it's a big risk.

        • rgavuliak 3 hours ago
          If no-one cared about opinions you would be fine with having just one newspaper that writes down the bare facts. The whole appeal of people paying for media is because they value the opinions on top of the facts that should ideally come from relevant experience/knowledge.
          • iudqnolq 2 hours ago
            The problem is that opinions are way cheaper.

            Look at the article currently promoted at the top of Post opinion page: "Trump is off to a good start with an AI action plan" https://archive.is/ERCme

            Regardless of what you think of the quality of that opinion, it took very little effort to make.

            Compare the sources they used to the work it would take go out on the ground and do novel research:

            - Their own news article about it (itself based on press releases and an off-the-record comment that obviously would have come from someone in the White House press office assigned to promote the press release)

            - Their own past opinion pieces

            - Reuters.com

            - WhiteHouse.gov

            - Online govt statistics

            - CNN.com

            - NeurIPS' blog

            - Columbia Business School blog

            - Matthew Yglesias' blog

            - Greg Lukanioff's blog

            I could have found those sources based on vague memories of tweets I've seen by following journalists on Bluesky and a few hours of googling. I suspect they did the same, except they used X instead.

            • HDThoreaun 1 hour ago
              News publishers saw that they needed to differentiate to retain market share. If theyre just reporting news why wouldn't everyone just switch to the AP or reuters?

              > But I think there would still be a market for a 1990s BBC style on the ground, completely opinion free reporting, and someone could fill this niche because a lot of people WOULD actually pay for this. But it would take a big investment and it's a big risk.

              AP and reuters are still doing this today

            • 2OEH8eoCRo0 10 hours ago
              > "These are dangerous times. Never have so many people had access to so much knowledge, and yet been so resistant to learning anything."

              - Tom Nichols, The Death of Expertise

              • mrangle 7 hours ago
                Demanding the conflation of opinion with expert instruction is one reason why Media is in terminal decline.

                A large part of credibility in expertise is the ability to naturally lead. People tend to follow who reads as credible. If someone doesn't read as such, it isn't the fault their missing audience.

                If they are credible and yet lack the ability to communicate that, I'd suggest that's both rare in-practice but would be a dire skill issue. Examining what is wrong with them and why better people aren't employed would be the logical next step.

              • cyanydeez 13 hours ago
                The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

                To your context, it simply means you havent seen bias in the facts, but dont evaluate the completeness thereof.

                • togetheragainor 10 hours ago
                  That’s very dismissive of the person you’re replying to.
              • Animats 14 hours ago
                The second Opinion unit, for outside submissions, is the Amazon reseller concept applied to news. It's why you can't buy anything important on Amazon any more.

                There are very few American newspapers left that have actual reporters in the field. The New York Times and the Washington Post are almost the only ones left. The result is that most stories begin from some press release. Look at the Washington Post right now.

                - "Trump, European Union reach trade deal with 15% tariffs" - from a press release.

                - "Israel to let more aid trucks into Gaza, under pressure over hunger crisis Israel said..." - press release

                - "Denied federal flood relief, a Maryland town is left on its own" - actual reporter coverage of regional news.

                - "Trump’s imaginary numbers, from $1.99 gas to 1,500 percent price cuts" - desk work, rehash of existing info.

                For most other newspapers, it's even worse. Few if any boots on the ground.

                "News is what someone doesn't want published. All else is publicity"

                • mensetmanusman 10 hours ago
                  The economics of journalism was killed with craigslist and has only gotten worse as the Internet has matured.

                  It is not the fourth branch of government anymore.

                  • Animats 9 hours ago
                    It's amazing that Craigslist killed the profitability of newspapers, and at such low cost.

                    Somebody should do that for social media.

                    • wkat4242 7 hours ago
                      Really? Were the classified ads that important?

                      I know some Dutch newspapers that didn't have any. It was mostly the free local papers that did.

                      Edit: these papers are still around, I just don't know if they still don't have classifieds because I don't read any papers anymore. The whole idea of getting a dead tree delivered is kinda old fashioned to me.

                  • skybrian 14 hours ago
                    One difference between actual journalists and people who just post their opinions on the Internet is that journalists will make phone calls. Even when they don’t talk to people in person, that’s still valuable.
                    • thepryz 12 hours ago
                      More importantly, true journalists follow the "no surprises" rule and contact the subject to allow them to hear what will be reported, respond to questions, and provide additional information or context that could inform the story.

                      A lot of people claim to be journalists and yet lack a fundamental understanding of journalistic principles and best practices.

                      • PaulHoule 13 hours ago
                        Bari Weiss and Paul Krugman wouldn't agree on almost anything but they agree it's a better life to be writing for Substack than for the NYT.

                        I enjoy reading Krugman so much now because he seems to be having so much fun now that he doesn't have the weight of the New York Times editors on him.

                    • sweeter 14 hours ago
                      All of these institutions are cooked.
                    • dotcoma 16 hours ago
                      • dimal 14 hours ago
                        Weird that it doesn’t mention Trump. He and Bezos were at odds until Bezos gave him $1M for the inauguration and decided to neuter the Post’s opinion section. Then all threats of antitrust against Amazon magically went away. Bezos probably had to trash the Post to save Amazon. The loss is a drop in the bucket to him.
                        • dotcoma 13 hours ago
                          Agree. But even completely losing Amazon — which would have never happened anyway — would have been a drop in the bucket at this point.

                          Funny how you grow to become the richest or second-richest man in the world, only to kiss ass to a bully.

                          • _rm 11 hours ago
                            He knows the bully only gets to bully for a fixed term - after that he keeps what he has
                            • diddid 13 hours ago
                              Rich people have been paying off politicians forever, Trump isn’t the first, and he won’t be the last. Back the winner until the winner is the loser, then back the new winner, repeat. AKA the king is dead long live the king!
                              • dotcoma 13 hours ago
                                True, but what is surprising to me is that not even Bezos’ kind of wealth will get him off the hook.
                                • bigfatkitten 8 hours ago
                                  It could, but it in the circumstances it would be more expensive than bending the knee for a couple of years.
                              • mensetmanusman 10 hours ago
                                Yeah I always find it fascinating, like when billionaire LeBron James kept his mouth shut about suppression and minority imprisonment in China.
                            • kelseyfrog 14 hours ago
                              Purchasing The Washington Post is a Day-Two move. Destined to lose.
                              • thepryz 12 hours ago
                                Everything Bezos, Jassy and Amazon have been doing in the last ~5 years has been Day 2.Despite this, I think the question to ask is what was the real motivation for Jeff being the Post and what does success look like in that context.

                                If the goal was to have more control over the narrative in this country and influence news reporting and public opinion in support of Jeff's ambitions, I think there's an argument to be made that he's accomplishing that as we speak.

                                • alephnerd 11 hours ago
                                  > Despite this, I think the question to ask is what was the real motivation for Jeff being the Post and what does success look like in that context.

                                  My hunch is it was due to Amazon's attempt to win a majority of the work in the JEDI tender.

                                  WashPo was bought during the height of the JEDI tender, along with Bezos's shift in domicile to Washington DC, Amazon HQ2, and Amazon's opening of the Crystal City and expansion of the Reston city campus all happened during that tender.

                                  • SilverElfin 8 hours ago
                                    Day 2?
                                    • roxolotl 8 hours ago
                                      Bezos likes to describe Amazon as a “Day 1 Company” where you should approach every day like it’s your first day.

                                      “Day 2 is stasis. Followed by irrelevance. Followed by excruciating, painful decline. Followed by death. And that is why it is always Day 1.”

                                      https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/2016-letter-to...

                                      • wkat4242 7 hours ago
                                        Beh. Stupid corporate motivational hot air.

                                        Same with that mission/vision crap that they spend tons on for a fancy workshop and then it gets framed on the wall and nobody ever looks at it again.

                                        • kelseyfrog 5 hours ago
                                          That's why it's fun to call things Bezos does as "day 2 behavior"
                                • PaulHoule 16 hours ago
                                  The "why" is pretty obvious. Bezos is intimidated by Trump. Under Trump 1 he changed the paper's masthead to "Democracy Dies in Darkness", like out of Batman.

                                  If you look at Russia, you see being an oligarch is particularly dangerous in an authoritarian society. You fall out of a window. You can't get permits for anything, your contracts get canceled. Some average rando can be part of the #resistance and not face consequences because nobody cares but if you are that visible you're vulnerable.

                                  • aeternum 11 hours ago
                                    He's more likely intimidated or at least discouraged by the party that declares they want to eliminate billionaires and capitalists.
                                    • queenkjuul 9 hours ago
                                      Which party is that?
                                      • wkat4242 7 hours ago
                                        Yeah I don't know any US party that says that lol. I don't think the Worker's Party of North Korea is very relevant to Bezos.
                                  • j_timberlake 6 hours ago
                                    Title: "The Washington Post is dying." Then the post is about a bunch of enshittification things instead.

                                    I'm sure it will die right after Bitcoin and Google Search and Adam Sandler movies.

                                    • scoreandmore 14 hours ago
                                      Yes.
                                    • rs186 11 hours ago
                                      > Over the last year the Post has been involved in almost monthly car wrecks

                                      I mean, unless the subscription number is way down or revenue has dropped significantly (which the article does not seem to mention), none of this matters, which is exactly what Bezos wants.

                                      • iudqnolq 1 hour ago
                                        So far each big, unpopular decision by Bezos has led to significant cancellations of paid subscriptions. Since it's happened more than once I don't think it's safe to assume the remaining subscribers are happy either.

                                        Bezos cancels planned endorsement of Harris: 300,000 paid subscribers cancel in period up to election. (400,000 new paid subscribers over the period, but they offered significant promotional discounts)

                                        Bezos tweets change to opinion policy: 75,000 paid subscribers cancel within four days

                                        With in the order of 2.5 million paid subscribers before all this started that's significant losses.

                                        Edit: Source is https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5312819/washington-post...

                                      • VivaTechnics 16 hours ago
                                        By accident
                                        • bediger4000 16 hours ago
                                          Agreed. He seems to think that people want to pay to be lectured about "personal freedom and liberty", and should take election advice from him, an oligarch.
                                          • vFunct 16 hours ago
                                            Yep. He has no idea what he's doing in media, or much else really (outside of AWS)
                                        • dadjoker 14 hours ago
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