9 comments

  • al_borland 2 hours ago
    It might be time to update the mission statement.

    “Our mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful”

    https://about.google/company-info/

    • zb3 1 hour ago
      * for us, advertisers and our AI models
      • ern_ave 1 hour ago
        My guess is that AI training is the main issue.

        Data that you can prove was generated by humans is now exceedingly valuable ...and most of that comes from the days before LLMs. The situation is a bit like how steel manufactured before the nuclear age is valuable.

        • adamnemecek 1 hour ago
          But why would people train on excerpts from Google Books when whole books can be downloaded on libgen and such?
  • abetusk 2 hours ago
    Anna's Archive [0]:

    > The largest truly open library in human history

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive

  • xorsula1 2 hours ago
    My guess is they detected being scraped and did this as preventive measure.
    • Andrex 33 minutes ago
      My guess is they're cozier with publishers now than 20 years ago when they fought all the way to SCOTUS.

      "Hey, remove search?"

      "OK, it was costing money anyways."

      • breppp 1 hour ago
        my guess is that the copyright landscape changed due to AI training, and these publishers won't let Google use that data anymore
        • adamnemecek 1 hour ago
          The books are still there, it seems like the rankings have changed though.
      • bryanrasmussen 1 hour ago
        Since I pretty much only use Google Books for public domain books, old magazines, and newspapers I haven't noticed any problem with it. Maybe it's not as dead as this person thinks.
      • mystraline 2 hours ago
        Thats easy.

        Check out library genesis, Anna's archive, and scihub for content.

        Piracy isnt theft if buying isnt ownership.

        • Ironic those doing the most for making information open and accessible are the criminals.
          • al_borland 15 minutes ago
            A centuries old problem. Early translations of the Bible to English were illegal or required licenses.

            William Tyndale was put to death for translating the Bible into English, which would have been an act to make information open and accessible.

            • direwolf20 52 minutes ago
              Of course. When it's criminal to make information open and accessible, only criminals will make information open and accessible.
            • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
              None of these does full text search.
          • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
            The change happened on or around Jan 21. Overnight the results went from pretty good to absolute trash.

            Here are two screenshots taken on Jan 20 and Jan 23 https://bsky.app/profile/adamnemecek.bsky.social/post/3mdbup...

            They don't do full text search anymore esp for copyrighted books. I wonder if this is not a regression but an intent to give them a let up in the AI race.

            • toephu2 15 minutes ago
              Yup, it's for AI.

              Similarly, a year ago or so ChatGPT could summarize YouTube videos. Google put a stop to that so now only Gemini can summarize YouTube videos.

              • jeffbee 2 hours ago
                It isn't obvious why the left results are preferred over the right results.
                • advisedwang 1 hour ago
                  The left results are contemporary, the right are decades old. That includes editions of the same book --- surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.
                  • thaumasiotes 50 minutes ago
                    > surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.

                    Why? Where different editions exist, the reader will want to know which one they're getting, but they're unlikely to systematically prefer newer editions.

                    But also, Google Books isn't aimed at "readers". You're not supposed to read books through it. It's aimed at searchers. Searchers are even less likely to prefer newer editions.

                    • jeffbee 1 hour ago
                      I guess. That's not immediately clear to me. However, browsing around on Google Books suggests to me that it is the corpus which changed, not the algorithms.
                      • adamnemecek 1 hour ago
                        The corpus is still the same, like searching the name of the book will find it, but the full text search.
                • kingstnap 2 hours ago
                  My guess: Text search and indexing is expensive. And you are getting some kind of AI vector search instead.

                  Which tends to be kind of poop compared to true text search.

                  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
                    Title is: Google has seemingly entirely removed search functionality from most books on Google Books