Training mRNA Language Models Across 25 Species for $165

113 points | by maziyar 3 days ago

11 comments

  • seamossfet 6 hours ago
    The problem with models like this is they're built on very little actual training data we can trace back to verifiable protein data. The protein data back, and other sources of training data for stuff like this, has a lot of broken structures in them and "creative liberties" taken to infer a structure from instrument data. It's a very complex process that leaves a lot for interpretation.

    On top of that, we don't have a clear understanding on how certain positions (conformations) of a structure affect underlying biological mechanisms.

    Yes, these models can predict surprisingly accurate structures and sequences. Do we know if these outputs are biologically useful? Not quite.

    This technology is amazing, don't get me wrong, but to the average person they might see this and wonder why we can't go full futurism and solve every pathology with models like these.

    We've come a long way, but there's still a very very long way to go.

    • stardust2 4 hours ago
      How do we get more verifiable protein data? So even if we had better data, we don't yet understand how the structure impacts the biology?
    • maziyar 3 days ago
    • colingauvin 5 hours ago
      HN's blindspots never cease to amaze me.

      I am a structural biologist working in pharmaceutical design and this type of thing could be wildly useful (if it works).

      • rubicon33 9 hours ago
        Can someone explain what one might use this model for? As a developer with a casual interest in biology it would be fun to play with but honestly not sure what I would do
        • colechristensen 8 hours ago
          You can get your feet wet with genetic engineering for surprisingly little money.

          This guy shows a lot of how it's done: https://www.youtube.com/@thethoughtemporium

          Basically you can design/edit/inject custom genes into things and see real results spending on the scale of $100-$1000.

          • com2kid 36 minutes ago
            We actually did this in my highschool genetics class back in 1999! We made bacteria change color by splicing in a gene. Awesome stuff.

            The (public!) school had a grant from one of Seattle's biotech boom companies.

            • someuser54541 8 hours ago
              Is there something like this in text/readable format?
              • _zoltan_ 6 hours ago
                My main concern is using fungi. If it ends up in my lungs I'm most likely screwed, right?
                • colechristensen 4 hours ago
                  This is the classic meme https://www.reddit.com/r/labrats/comments/mmv2ig/lab_strains...

                  Lab strains of things tend to be extremely sensitive and not human adapted. You shouldn't study and modify human-infecting organisms in your basement anyway. While you shouldn't ignore protective equipment and proper procedure... paranoia about infecting yourself with a lab leak isn't warranted.

                  • nurettin 5 hours ago
                    Yes, but most students produce their best work while infected.
              • khalic 9 hours ago
                > In Progress: CodonJEPA

                JEPA is going to break the whole industry :D

                • digdugdirk 9 hours ago
                  Can you explain this? I haven't heard of JEPA, and from a quick search it seems to be vision/robotics based?
                  • khalic 8 hours ago
                    It’s a self supervised learning architecture, and it’s pretty much universal. The loss function runs on embeddings, and some other smart architectural choices allover. Worth diving into for a few hours, Yann LeCun gives some interesting talks about it
                    • lukeinator42 9 hours ago
                  • simianwords 9 hours ago
                    What makes these Domain specific models work when we don’t have good domain models for health care, chemistry, economics and so on
                  • yieldcrv 9 hours ago
                    Distributing the load on this will probably be infinitely more useful than “folding at home”
                    • HocusLocus 10 hours ago
                      gray goo of the future
                      • skyskys 7 hours ago
                        hmmmm seems like some fake hype.