4 comments

  • echoangle 10 minutes ago
    Looking at the last plot, it seems like the backoff is roughly 1/5 of the total bandwith and it happens every 50 ms or so. Wouldn't it make sense to reduce the backoff and the growth speed if a backoff occurs repeatedly in rapid succession? We want to maximize the area under the curve (transmitted packages), right?
    • blahgeek 7 hours ago
      The more precise title should be: How we copied code from Linux kernel without fully understand it and missed its follow-up fixes, now it bites us
      • neuralkoi 3 hours ago
        I can see why they rewrote QUIC in Rust and for use in userspace, though going the in-house approach would warrant keeping an eye on the relevant kernel commits like a hawk to avoid missing bug fixes like these. These in-house implementations tend to have less eyeballs than the kernel.

        I found it interesting that Cloudflare is not yet using BBR as the default in quiche. CUBIC's recovery in this day and age, and especially in datacenters with large pipes, seems so slooow to me. Almost two seconds with no loss whatsoever till achieving BDP again and then shooting itself in the foot every time it hits the ceiling. Each one of those losses a retransmission.

        • masklinn 26 minutes ago
          > I can see why they rewrote QUIC in Rust and for use in userspace

          As far as I know, while they might have either way, they did not: the linux kernel implementation only landed late 2025. Quiche was started ca 2018 (that's when Cloudflare started beta-deploying QUIC, the first public alpha of quiche was january 2019).

          I don't know that there even was an in-kernel implementation of quic before msquic.sys which I believe first shipped in Server 2022 circa mid 2021 (and is used as the implementation backend by MsQuic on Server 2022 and W11).

        • extropy 2 hours ago
          Is it just me, or the article structure and subtitles feel very AI?
          • bonzini 2 hours ago
            Yes, and it becomes unbearable after a while.
            • yuye 2 hours ago
              The first half wasn't too bad, but the AI tells get strong in the second half.