29 comments

  • tyre 2 hours ago
    To people asking why, this is a good lesson on the Collison’s ambitions. Stripe is one of the best API companies in the world. They know how to serve high volumes of latency and availability sensitive requests. They’ve abstracted the financial rails for payments and now want to abstract the rails for LLMs.

    They’re the perfect company to own OpenRouter.

    Tokens are simply a lightweight valuable asset. Stripe can serve as the middleman as well as anyone. They know how to route to many providers (payment rails) with huge differences in service characteristics. LLM providers are far easier.

    Then they can work this into an offering where users can subscribe to tokens and use them across services. It solves one of the core monetization challenges of every AI company: how do you price when your costs are variable on usage, but nobody can make sense of charging by token?

    From here, they can start hosting their own models and competing as an AWS for tokens. They can be the best provider of $OPEN_MODEL, or their own, and optimize for you.

    • runako 17 minutes ago
      > Tokens are simply a lightweight valuable asset

      (Not picking on you here, you just provided a well-written peg for a popular narrative. I'm aiming to sharpen my own thinking here & perhaps learn something.)

      This seems like a stretch given the rise of local inference, especially the Prism Labs rumors from a few weeks ago.

      One way I think about LLMs is they are akin to fancy databases in that they are software of which you can ask questions and get answers if you ask properly. Oracle & SQL Server are akin to OpenAI and Anthropic, and there are analogues for MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite, MongoDB, PlanetScale, etc. (This is an analogy, it's not going to be a perfect fit.)

      In that view, would it make sense for someone to say that their credit card processor just bought the company that makes their ODBC driver? Would anybody suggest that the TPS of their RDS instance is a lightweight asset?

      I don't see this as strategic beyond the obvious idea that Stripe wants to get closer to AI, and they haven't been able to get the market to care about their natural linkage to AI (Radar).

      > they can start hosting their own models and competing as an AWS for tokens

      The financial pressure of doing this has caused cuts to core product teams at the richest companies (which Stripe isn't!). I would not want my payments processor to go down this road and to get worse at processing payments.

      • christina97 28 minutes ago
        Do people feel Stripe APIs are really that good? I’ve always found them unintuitive, tons of options, weird edge cases, breaking occasionally, etc.

        I’m sure payments are convoluted, but I’d still imagine they could be meaningfully easier for the bulk 80% of use case?

        • rpmisms 23 minutes ago
          Yes, Stripe is extremely good at what they do. Payments are complicated.
          • umpalumpaaa 20 minutes ago
            I have implemented the Swift payment Spec and I can tell you having this abstracted in a nice API is so much better.
            • Aeolun 20 minutes ago
              I mean. They used to be good. When they started out their docs were absolutely far above the competition. They aren’t now, and Stripe has lived long enough that they’ve seen themselves become the villain.
            • ohcmon 59 minutes ago
              Ok, at first I didn’t get it and thought it would make sense if stripe just wants to build payments for agents, but on a second thought your idea about “once buy tokens — use everywhere” is very good one!
              • Marciplan 18 minutes ago
                why did they miss the market that is OpenRouter?
                • 27183 1 hour ago
                  unless it's all just tulip mania, then they just spent $7B on nothing
                  • LPisGood 58 minutes ago
                    Here are some things that are abundantly clear to me.

                    1.) LLMs are useful for programming

                    2.) Open models are excellent and will continue to improve

                    3.) Economies of scale and ease of access mean self hosting is out of the question for a large number of users

                    This means that even if the largest labs are not worth trillions and a large amount of the data center build out is not as valuable as the builders project and GPU/RAM prices plummet, it will not matter at all for this business. People will want to buy cheap open source tokens from a centralized trusted provider.

                    $7 billion for a business with little overhead that is already within their core competency and has strategic growth potential seems like a very good deal.

                    • blobbers 28 minutes ago
                      What does openrouter actually do though? They buy a bunch of tokens from token providers and allow you to easily route queries between token processors?

                      This seems like the kind of thing that you can have Claude write in an afternoon for whatever service you're running. I don't see the value.

                      • sipjca 18 minutes ago
                        people are lazy

                        people don't want to maintain infra (ie adding new models all the time)

                        people want their queries to work without thinking

                        if a provider goes down, openrouter queries dont (ideally)

                        it's really not that complex to understand

                      • 27183 41 minutes ago
                        Unfortunately we don't really know anything about OpenRouter or Stripe's numbers. They're both private companies. AFAIK there really isn't much information publicly available about how profitable or not OpenRouter actually is, or whether it has a little or a lot of overhead. So I can't really say whether $7B is reasonable or inflated. It seems like an enormous number, and my hunch is like all the other enormous numbers floating around in the AI space it's probably inflated by the hype bubble. But we just don't know.

                        Broadly I agree with you. It seems like they have an in-demand product and there could be a sustainable business there at least in principle. But whether it's a $7B business or a $70M business I can't say.

                      • doctorpangloss 5 minutes ago
                        depends what the tulips are. tokens? private growth stage shares?

                        openrouter is involved with a lot of scammy crypto personalities. maybe they are the tulips people have been manic about for too long. maybe the collisons are the tulips.

                      • absolutenobody0 2 hours ago
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                      • alberth 2 hours ago
                        I wonder if this deal is primarily just to buy payment volume.

                        OpenAI just announced earlier this week that Ayden would become their payment provider (when it was previously Stripe).

                        And OpenRouter has a large percentage of overall AI payment volume for all the major labs.

                        Both OpenAI and OpenRouter represent ~$100B in payment volume, whereas Stripe in total doing ~$2T. Two customer doing ~5% of your total volume who didn’t even exist a few years ago, must be kind of scary for Stripe.

                        https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/rise-ai-sho...

                        https://stripe.com/newsroom/news/stripe-2025-update

                        • tyre 2 hours ago
                          Stripe would lock in volume but how exactly are they monetizing that? Any margin the get from OpenRouter is money extracted from OpenRouter’s revenue (which is now theirs.)
                          • giancarlostoro 1 hour ago
                            7 billion one off for 100 billion annually? If I am understanding that correctly it feels like a no brainer to me…

                            Also if you think about it differently… OpenRouter is adjacent to what Stripe is but for getting access to AI models. If they dont mess this up they could invest in openerouter and grow that 100b pie.

                            • notatoad 1 hour ago
                              $100b is payment volume, not revenue. Stripe gross revenue from those payments would be on the order of tenths of a percent of that.
                          • sanxiyn 1 hour ago
                            I think volume is itself good and help Stripe negotiate lower rate with banks etc.
                          • bhouston 1 hour ago
                            > Two customer doing ~5% of your total volume who didn’t even exist a few years ago, must be kind of scary for Stripe.

                            Shopify uses Stripe no? Probably good volume discount though.

                            • Marciplan 15 minutes ago
                              Adyen*
                              • sparkling 2 hours ago
                                >OpenRouter represent ~$100B in payment volume, whereas Stripe in total doing ~$2T.

                                That is a much higher % than i expected.

                              • Gecko4072 3 hours ago
                                How can a middle man for api calls be worth so much? Their market share can’t be very large right? For comparison, $7B is more than market cap of Lyft, Dolby, and Alaska Airlines. What is happening?

                                https://stockanalysis.com/list/mid-cap-stocks/

                                • jonas21 4 minutes ago
                                  You could just as easily ask yourself how can a middle man for people finding web pages be worth so much, but here we are, and Google is worth something like $4 trillion, mostly on the back of their search business.

                                  It's very valuable to be the intermediary between a large number of people who want something and a commoditized market of providers. It's the middleman who captures most of the margins.

                                  Now, AI models are not a commodity yet, and there's no guarantee they will be. But in a world where they are, whoever can occupy that intermediary position is going to capture most of the value. This seems to be Stripe taking that side of the bet.

                                  • Aurornis 2 hours ago
                                    It's an inflated number due to the AI market, but their selling point is distribution.

                                    Many people and businesses want to experiment with different models, but they don't want to sign up for a dozen different services. Businesses can make it difficult to approve new vendors. If your company is looking at 5 different vendors for tokens and teams can't agree to switch together, OpenRouter comes along with a unified interface and a single billing point.

                                    They also become the point to add value-add services on top in a portable way. They already offer some things like automatic JSON repair, but I can see them adding functionality like leak detection tools, monitoring, alerts, and other patterns that a company can set up once and use with all of the models theirs teams need.

                                    What I'm not so sure about is their moat. They have the brand recognition, but it seems rather easy for someone else to build what they've built. I'm a little confused about why Stripe didn't just build the same thing internally. Acquiring this company gives them an instant boost of 10 million customers for their AI business, which might be key to some financial goal they've got.

                                    • gruez 2 hours ago
                                      >It's an inflated number due to the AI market, but their selling point is distribution.

                                      >Many people and businesses want to experiment with different models, but they don't want to sign up for a dozen different services. Businesses can make it difficult to approve new vendors. If your company is looking at 5 different vendors for tokens and teams can't agree to switch together, OpenRouter comes along with a unified interface and a single billing point.

                                      Isn't that ripe for being picked off by aws or azure? Both already have marketplaces where vendors can offer whatever cloud services they want. Both already offer first party inference service, and have contracts with all the stodgy corps where it's "difficult to approve new vendors". Not to mention they have IAM and SSO built in. Good luck bolting that onto a third party vendor like openrouter.

                                      • altcognito 1 hour ago
                                        I can actually restrict how much is spent using a sensible user interface with openrouter. That’s a real pain with aws
                                        • polski-g 30 minutes ago
                                          You don't want to spend 2 hours in the IAM and Role control panels?
                                        • SchemaLoad 1 hour ago
                                          Yeah, but at least currently, openrouter has the latest open source options way faster than AWS does.
                                      • minimaxir 3 hours ago
                                        I'd suspect it's related to the rise of good/cheap Chinese models, and OpenRouter is the best way to use them without jumping through a ton of hoops.
                                        • maxdo 2 hours ago
                                          Exactly , not even small startup anywhere in us , eu or nearby will be ok to send data to China, but with open router you can create a no China provider selector with one llm call and start using Chinese llms without paying to vendors a single cent .

                                          What’s the angle for stripe , electrify over tokens exchange is the new money flow , and stripe wants to monetize it. 5% tax on any llm token is an amazing deal

                                          • nubg 2 hours ago
                                            > but with open router you can create a no China provider selector

                                            why on earth would you trust no data is sent to China? just because you clicked a toggle?

                                            • dghlsakjg 41 minutes ago
                                              Openrouter is very transparent about where your requests are going. Every single one is logged.

                                              You decide the routing if you want.

                                              I trust it because there are at least 7 billion on the line. If it came out that they were violating their contract and sending company secrets to China when they promised they won’t, they would lose literal billions for basically no gain, and possible criminal charges.

                                              Why on earth would you think they are sending data to China after you click that toggle when they have every reason not to?

                                              • lxgr 2 hours ago
                                                By that logic, how can you trust OpenAI and Anthropic not to do the same?
                                                • gruez 2 hours ago
                                                  For one, openai and anthropic are the top two AI labs and therefore have some reputation at stake. Openrouter is like aliexpress. Any fly-by night vendor can get listed on there.
                                                  • nozzlegear 59 minutes ago
                                                    The Chinese providers also have reputations at stake
                                          • arjie 1 hour ago
                                            I prefer using OpenRouter because the money I pay them in premium is far less than the money I lose by not using it on other providers. On OpenRouter, I can switch dollars between models. But for the providers, after evaluating I'm stuck with some number of credits on ones I don't use. This kind of intermediation is actually super useful to me. I must imagine that they can also provide other things that are of value like provider quality measures, ability to swap providers during downtime, etc.
                                            • kelnos 2 hours ago
                                              You can't really compare market caps like that. Addressable market or market share is only one piece of the puzzle, and the other companies you mention are in very different kinds of markets, with very different kinds of products, with very different kinds of costs and margins.

                                              A valuation just reflects what someone thinks about the future cash flows of the business.

                                              But yeah, it does feel a bit crazy; unsurprisingly, AI hype affects valuations of AI companies too. On the other hand, I can see the idea that some people might be betting on the idea that the big US labs are bloated and spend too much money, and that the real money is going to be in serving open-weight models, and/or in automatically combining and routing to different models based on the task at hand.

                                              • codybontecou 3 hours ago
                                                LLM traces are supposedly very valuable. I imagine OpenRouter has one of the most extensive and diverse set of traces in the world.
                                                • ruined 2 hours ago
                                                  openrouter prompt and i/o logging is off by default https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/privacy/data-collection

                                                  the providers you route to will of course have their own policies, which openrouter surfaces to you through the webui and api. you can even configure automatic routing to select providers based on your policy preferences.

                                                  • codybontecou 23 minutes ago
                                                    Oh that's very interesting. Thanks for the link.
                                                  • putlake 2 hours ago
                                                    If your data is leaking to OpenRouter, how many companies would be OK with that? So I doubt OpenRouter are peeking inside the workloads that flow through their proxy. However, they do publish "Top Models by Task" ranking[1] so maybe you have a point.

                                                    [1] https://openrouter.ai/rankings#task-spend

                                                    • dghlsakjg 37 minutes ago
                                                      The top models by task is self reported. It’s based on the referrer header or some custom one I forget at this moment.

                                                      If you don’t include that it just doesn’t count those tokens.

                                                  • blitzar 3 hours ago
                                                    If any of those companies put Ai into their pitch they too would be worth billions
                                                    • throw-the-towel 2 hours ago
                                                      You've already seen Long Island Blockchain, now get ready for... Alaska AI Lines!
                                                      • andrewinardeer 2 hours ago
                                                        I landscape gardens... With AI.

                                                        Pay me.

                                                      • throwaway473825 3 hours ago
                                                        Cursor got bought for $60B. This is simply how AI companies are valued.
                                                        • missedthecue 1 hour ago
                                                          A good year for Alaska Airlines is 5% sales growth. OpenRouter is growing that much per week I'm guessing.
                                                          • claw-el 2 hours ago
                                                            When there is a bidding war for a company, I don’t think fundamentals matter as much anymore..
                                                            • ilaksh 2 hours ago
                                                              Their market share is as big as it gets for that type of AI business.
                                                              • lotsofpulp 2 hours ago
                                                                The market cap of any business operating in the physical realm has to account for enormous liability, especially for one like an airline. Also, their operating costs are huge with much less ability to scale, resulting in much lower potential increase in margins.
                                                                • Taikhoom10 2 hours ago
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                                                                  • Taikhoom10 3 hours ago
                                                                    Models are commodities, aggregators win, strategy wins - https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/why-openrouter-can-be-the-next-...
                                                                • Aurornis 2 hours ago
                                                                  OpenRouter raised money at a $1.3 billion valuation a few months ago, if the NYTimes reported valuation is accurate.

                                                                  Going from a $1.3b valuation to a $7b exit in a couple months is an amazing return for those investors. I hope the OpenRouter employees got some decent equity out of this

                                                                  • Taikhoom10 2 hours ago
                                                                    They should just hold Stripe stock, plus there are always liquidation preferences so it is not so black and white
                                                                  • mattfrommars 17 minutes ago
                                                                    Congrats to the OpenRouter team.

                                                                    I vividly remember back in 2023/2024, I was sitting on my sofa thinking, "there has to be a market to abstract data access layer, something like Terraform but for LLM provider to avoid vendor lockin". Only if I had access to capital to build something like that at that time, I could have been my try for an AI start up.

                                                                    • mkoubaa 1 minute ago
                                                                      We buying inflation burritos with tokens ain't we
                                                                      • skeledrew 2 hours ago
                                                                        Historically acquisitions have never really been good for customers. Time for me to look for an OpenRouter alternative? At least they're also as easy to switch from as the model providers they proxy.
                                                                        • Taikhoom10 2 hours ago
                                                                          No, Stripe's mega plan is to create a consolidated internet offering for internet-first businesses, not price gauging, the masterminds behind this are not corporate suits, rather founders that deeply understand business strategy - https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/what-stripe-can-become-broader-...
                                                                          • atomicnumber3 2 hours ago
                                                                            Stripes founders aren't suits but they're just as eager to make money. Their payments business is low margin and they're hungry for anything higher margin they can attach.
                                                                            • cowsandmilk 2 hours ago
                                                                              Yeah, Amazon didn’t let its low margin retail business prevent them from taking high margins in AWS. I’m not sure why it is assumed Stripe would stay low margin.
                                                                              • Taikhoom10 2 hours ago
                                                                                Well, they should be motivated by profit, especially if they can create an integrated solution, the convenience means everybody wins.
                                                                                • Klonoar 30 minutes ago
                                                                                  I don’t think you understand just how much money Stripe currently makes.
                                                                          • Taikhoom10 2 hours ago
                                                                            The reason OpenRouter can build value even if there are 100 clones is switching costs and flexibility. AWS Bedrock may be great for large enterprises, but flexible startups will use OpenRouter for ease, and now they have Stripe's distribution. Once you use OpenRouter, you won't switch because you become embedded in the logs and cost-saving systems.

                                                                            AWS Bedrock - Microsoft Teams

                                                                            OpenRouter - Slack

                                                                            https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/why-openrouter-can-be-the-next-...

                                                                          • powvans 2 hours ago
                                                                            Everyone seems to be asking why this a great strategic fit for Stripe.

                                                                            Stripe can now provide tools to every product that sells metered AI usage and take a cut. This isn't about extracting a small percent on the tokens flowing from your coding agents to your model of choice. It's about all the products that are going to come to market and monetize metered usage.

                                                                            Want to analyze your 2026 tax return? Use VisorAI's Tax Agent and pay only for what you use. Stripe provides all the accounting, payment processing, ships money to vendors, and takes a bit off the top. Trillions of dollars moving from the labor market to the token market? It's $10B per point in fees for every trillion.

                                                                            • siliconc0w 34 minutes ago
                                                                              I don't really understand the value -add, so far "smart" routing currently produces worse results at higher cost and static routing can be done yourself trivially. Plus the risk of sending the most sensitive data you have to a third party.
                                                                              • matt-p 31 minutes ago
                                                                                Even ignoring routing, it's still very 'nice' to be able to buy almost any model in one place.

                                                                                Amazing for enterprises, or companies who are letting users choose from a variety of models for ai tools.

                                                                                • polski-g 31 minutes ago
                                                                                  I don't think you understand what Openrouter's product is.
                                                                                • aabhay 1 hour ago
                                                                                  The strategy here is that the same services that Stripe offers for payments have corollaries in the LLM world. Security, user management, perhaps injection attack monitoring, etc.

                                                                                  However I think they dearly overpaid for this as the core technology behind Stripe (fraud detection and integration with global banks) is hard to replicate. Even with the features mentioned above I think the technologies behind OpenRouter are vastly easier to replicate, perhaps even trivial now.

                                                                                  • zacharyozer 3 hours ago
                                                                                    > Earlier this year, Atallah described OpenRouter as the AI equivalent of Stripe.

                                                                                    Not sure I understand how this is strategically aligned for Stripe but certainly an interesting comparison.

                                                                                    • closetheloopdev 3 hours ago
                                                                                      OpenRouter uses Stripe to handle payments [1], so this acquisition hopefully will reduce OpenRouter's cost while increasing Stripe's revenue.

                                                                                      [1] https://stripe.com/newsroom/news/openrouter-and-stripe

                                                                                      • bix6 3 hours ago
                                                                                        > Every company in the Forbes AI 50 that monetizes does so on Stripe.

                                                                                        That’s chilling.

                                                                                      • toomuchtodo 3 hours ago
                                                                                        Stripe seems to appear to be attempting to compete with the US Federal Reserve as the core dollar payment processor while also dipping into the same for tokens. Core value exchange platform, dollars, tokens, whatever. A bit of a less exciting version of Dune. “The transaction volume must flow.”
                                                                                      • superkuh 3 hours ago
                                                                                        Perhaps the US State Dept. used it's strong relationship with Stripe to encourage this purchase as a geopolitical move. They've done so before with companies like eBay and Microsoft to neuter the P2P telephone access network that was "Skype".
                                                                                        • reilly3000 3 hours ago
                                                                                          Yea they love centralized brokers, exchanges, etc.
                                                                                        • porridgeraisin 2 hours ago
                                                                                          Both are in the business of putting a single API key in front of a fragmented ecosystem and charging a convenience fee. This middleman business is naturally coalescing.

                                                                                          The nature of the ecosystem also means that pricing is closely tied to "procurement" which could be routing, limits, whatever at a company level.

                                                                                          If stripe wants to be _the_ one that charges that fee, they either have to continuously try to ensure that all the different middlenen use stripe (most of them do!) but even better is to acquire the largest middleman.

                                                                                          You don't want someone else who happens to do all the routing+limits+policies, end up not using stripe. They already have this hold in existing stripe financial products where they apply all the policies, and everything goes through them.

                                                                                          It is also an easy deal from an investor point of view.

                                                                                        • bushido 3 hours ago
                                                                                          This kind of makes a lot of sense. While my first stake was surprise that a proxy is valued at such a high rate, But it really comes down to the terms if open router is allowed by their terms to see the prompts and responses, Then that's very, very valuable data today for any model improvements and other opportunities that people might be looking for.
                                                                                          • jjcm 2 hours ago
                                                                                            I'm surprised OpenRouter went for 7B, while fal.ai just raised at $8b, despite fal having far less traffic (semrush reports ~5x more traffic to openrouter). They seem like very parallel businesses, just with focuses on different models (creative models vs LLMs).
                                                                                            • echelon 1 hour ago
                                                                                              LLMs have zero margin.

                                                                                              Media models have crazy margin.

                                                                                              Have you seen FAL's pricing? It's absurdly marked up. 50% or more.

                                                                                            • throw03172019 1 hour ago
                                                                                              Ramp LLM Router Stripe LLM Router(?)

                                                                                              What’s up with finance companies getting into LLM routers?

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                                                                                                • thway15269037 13 minutes ago
                                                                                                  Terrible news for the market. Even as someone who dislikes AI, it's terrible. Stripe is a horrible company and more market consolidation is very worrisome.

                                                                                                  Hope someone clones it and they take a loss at it.

                                                                                                  • thway15269037 9 minutes ago
                                                                                                    Also someone start counting days until they implement mandatory KYC and AML into request processing.
                                                                                                  • EastSmith 2 hours ago
                                                                                                    If someone from Stripe / OpenRouter is listening, please let me provide Open Router OAuth to my users and let me take a cut of their usage. Apple takes 30, I would take whatever the users are willing to pay. 5 to 15 is reasonable.
                                                                                                    • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago
                                                                                                      I'm still amazed at Apple's 30%, it's just so brazenly high (like: "fuck you, we're Apple, we do what we want and you'll lick it up"). Unfortunately, too, other companies follow Apple's lead, and so this massive rent seeking percentage has become normalised.
                                                                                                      • Marciplan 9 minutes ago
                                                                                                        I can totally agree that Apple sucks for doing this, but you seem to insinuate they started this. As always Apple wasn’t first not even tenth: Nintendo, Steam, Xbox, Kindle all did it prior to “the platform economy” 3)
                                                                                                    • polytely 1 hour ago
                                                                                                      As an openrouter user this is better than most alternatives I guess
                                                                                                      • truetraveller 26 minutes ago
                                                                                                        I had consistent problems (5 months back) with OpenRouter and other providers. And very hard to debug. I used the provider directly (Google) and worked perfectly.
                                                                                                        • 0gs 2 hours ago
                                                                                                          yeah, i bet this seems like a good deal in a few years, we'll see. remember Poe haha that was a similar kinda thing but openrouter waited until the market was mature
                                                                                                          • nannal 2 hours ago
                                                                                                            RIP free deepseek access.
                                                                                                            • minimaxir 2 hours ago
                                                                                                              Free model usage is controlled by the LLM provider, not OpenRouter. Both parties have their own incentives to allow it and that would not change with different owners.
                                                                                                              • sparkling 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                The free DeepSeek depended on full data sharing straight to China.
                                                                                                              • code51 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                OpenRouter should first fix their support.

                                                                                                                No support exists when things go wrong!

                                                                                                                • mianos 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                  They do reach out pretty quick when your usage takes a huge dive after you move to one of the single provider plans that offer hard to believe possibly unsustainable value.
                                                                                                                • rvz 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                  This is even before them acquiring PayPal. If Stripe bought PayPal in 2022, it would be immediately blocked. Not this time.

                                                                                                                  One of the only near monopolies that is seemingly allowed and it is even praised.

                                                                                                                  But who cares. Nothing to see here (as long as AGI is coming it doesn't matter anyway).

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                                                                                                                      • muppetman 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                        I still find it hilarious that AI is so bad you need something to sit in front of it to pick models for you. And that's a normal, accepted thing.
                                                                                                                        • simonw 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                          That's not a very common pattern, to be honest. A bunch of people have been experimenting with automatic model routing recently but mainly as a cost optimization, since tokens for the best models have got expensive once you start piping millions of tokens through them.

                                                                                                                          I haven't seen much evidence that model routing is being widely used yet. I think it's still more of an experimental mechanism right now.

                                                                                                                          • bensyverson 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                            OpenRouter is a proxy, not an automatic router. Rather than building API clients for five different AI providers, you build one client to OpenRouter, and switching models become extremely easy. This matters when new models are coming out virtually every day.
                                                                                                                            • mcintyre1994 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                              Dumb question but aren’t they all OpenAI API compliant? I thought that was pretty standard, eg I know Anthropic works with it. Also Claude Code can work with different models, they’re probably not using OpenRouter for that?
                                                                                                                              • lanyard-textile 23 minutes ago
                                                                                                                                Effectively but not quite. Anthropic does mostly support the OpenAI API but there are minor feature gaps. You have to use Anthropic's bespoke API to use everything (which may or may not be important to you).

                                                                                                                                There are some gotchas with it too. e.g. The "system" role message isn't supported in the Anthropic API. It's not the biggest deal but it's a potential footgun.

                                                                                                                                On the other hand, the openrouter SDK + API takes care of this for you: Their one gateway has ways of enabling provider-specific features. You can switch the model name and pretty much be good to go.

                                                                                                                                Claude Code does not work with other models out of the box. You need a wrapper around Claude Code that translates other model requests + respondes to what the harness expects.

                                                                                                                              • sajithdilshan 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                                Does that means if by any chance all frontier model companies agrees to use an open protocol for the API open router would go out of business?
                                                                                                                                • benced 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                                  All the model companies except kind of Anthropic (and even they half-assedly do) implement the OpenAI API. It's not an open standard but, like the S3 API, it effectively is.

                                                                                                                                  And, to answer your question, no. The existence of a common API makes it trivial to change zero code and send requests to a different model.

                                                                                                                                  • solidasparagus 47 minutes ago
                                                                                                                                    The Anthropic messages API is a competing standard (it's just better than the OpenAI API which even OpenAI has moved away from) and some Chinese providers use it as their standard.
                                                                                                                                  • bensyverson 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                                    It's more complicated than that. Lots of providers use an "OpenAI-ish" API, but many of them have subtle differences in things like tool calling or thinking blocks. OpenRouter normalizes the wire format.

                                                                                                                                    OpenRouter does more than just proxying; they also aggregate providers for open-weight models, which has a stabilizing effect on pricing and gives you protection against a single provider's downtime.

                                                                                                                                    • notatoad 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                                      no. i don't know if openrouter even guarantees consistent protocl across models.

                                                                                                                                      the value of openrouter is it offers centralized billing. you can route your calls to any provider you want, test a whole bunch of models against each other, and you just get one bill from openrouter. switching to a new model, or a new provider of the same model, doesn't mean setting up a new billing account with a new provider.

                                                                                                                                      • sajithdilshan 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                                        I see, that make sense, thanks for the explanation. Because otherwise I was thinking their whole business model would be just to provide an API tool library.
                                                                                                                                  • punkbit 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                                    I think that OpenRouter's goal is to have the user pick the model, so there's manual configuration for the user control and cost benefit. Maybe you meant OpenCode Zen? But let's be honest, "AI" is definitely incredible, not "hilarious", or "so bad".
                                                                                                                                    • fhub 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                                      I don’t think it “being bad” is the motivation. It’s about saving money and pooling cheaper resources.
                                                                                                                                      • budsniffer952 1 hour ago
                                                                                                                                        >I still find it hilarious that AI is so bad you need something to sit in front of it to pick models for you. And that's a normal, accepted thing

                                                                                                                                        My lord. Of all the terrible, uniformed takes the HN posters are spewing, this is the worst one I've seen in a while.

                                                                                                                                        The anti-AI crowd really are clueless, eh?

                                                                                                                                        • throw1234567891 2 hours ago
                                                                                                                                          No, you don’t. But most have fomo and use them.