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  • jeffnv 1 day ago
    Noticing that the waist circumference on average went down on the peppermint group (85.17 -> 84.61) while the placebo group it went up (88.33 -> 88.65)? Also the resting heart rate dropped for the peppermint group. My initial suspicion is that the peppermint group coincidentally was also the 'got in better shape' group. Maybe the peppermint helped, but for relatively small groups that also seem to be improving waist circumference and heart rates likely due to good diet and exercise, I'm not convinced the peppermint did jack shit. More investigation needed! Would be awesome if it helped though!
    • vector_spaces 1 day ago
      There has been some research on spearmint suggesting anti-androgen effects in PCOS, which is a bit unexpected to me as I wouldn't expect mint-family herbs to have much hormone modulating effect at all. I would imagine there to be similarities in profile between spearmint and peppermint so perhaps a related mechanism is involved, although I would probably expect the opposite outcome as a naive layperson. But I haven't closely evaluated the paper nor do I know whether there's been much else suggesting this

      It is important to remember that herbs are difficult to study in this setting compared with isolated compounds -- likely because their pharmacological and chemical compositions are sensitive to many factors: hour and season of harvest, form consumed (raw powder, alcohol extract, cold water infusion, fat emulsion, hot water infusion, combustion, pyrolysis, essential oil), part consumed (leaf, root, flower, seed), among staggeringly many others. Anyone with experience consuming cannabis or coffee can probably testify to the above

      Not to mention that the pharmacologically active compounds in many plants are far from being comprehensively understood, let alone their interactions and dynamics

      This isn't to say that every claim about herbs is to be taken seriously. My point here is more that there is no good reason to dismiss the herb itself as a cause yet simply because it's an herb and a fairly mundane one at that. There are easy examples of herbs which have pronounced physiological effects, used for recreation, performance enhancement, as literal poison, to induce labor, to thin the blood -- among others.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19585478/

      • r0ze-at-hn 1 day ago
        So spearmint is not peppermint. Peppermint (mentha pipereta in this study) inhibits CYP3A4 and CYP1A2. CYP1A2 is in the liver and if that is inhibited then estrogen will route down the CYP1B1 path so the ratio of the two metabolites 2-OHE1 v.s 4-OHE1 would be altered. For the PCOS (renamed to PMOS btw) if they start with elevated 2-OHE1 after the peppermint this could result in improve estrogen signaling because the now raised 4-OHE1 has much higher affinity than the 2-OHE1 for ESR1 (Era). ESR1 in particular is known for lowering blood pressure.

        This particular path isn't that crazy, but it would only be for a subset of folk. From the study there is something simpler: menthol acts as a natural calcium-channel blocker, triggering vasodilation to reduce blood pressure.

        • PaulHoule 9 hours ago
          There is something to aromatherapy. Essential oils are full of molecules that look like drugs and bind to GPCR receptors in the nose that head to the brain and have all sorts of effects, even if these molecules don't transport well in the body or cross the blood-brain barrier.

          Peppermint as a scent is usually thought of as stimulating, raising heart rate and blood pressure. The lore, with some research supporting it, is that other oils that are more sedating can bring down blood pressure if you use them, say, in a diffuser.

          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3521421/

          I find the sensuality of Ylang Ylang to be distracting so I mixed in Lavender and got this wonderful floral smell that filled my office but an hour later I notice the sedation and I am nodding off and can't concentrate on work at all. It was like the scene in the Wizard of Oz where the Wicked Witch of the West put (most of) the protagonists to sleep with a field of scarlet poppies.

          • darksim905 4 hours ago
            I'm familiar with drug interaction monographs and enjoy reading them. And I am somewhat comfortable with the organ/body functional pathways (I think that's what it's called) -- where can someone view/look at different pathways of the body as a resource?
            • AnthonBerg 14 hours ago
              Menthol is wild.

              Lightly edited from Wikipedia:

              "Menthol's [agonism of] the cold-sensitive Transient Receptor Potential cation channel subfamily M (melastatin) member 8 or TRPM8 receptors is responsible for the well-known cooling sensation it provokes.

              Menthol's analgesic properties are mediated through a selective activation of κ-opioid receptors. Menthol blocks calcium channels and voltage-sensitive sodium channels, reducing neural activity that may stimulate muscles.

              Some studies show that menthol acts as a GABAᴀ receptor positive allosteric modulator and increases GABAergic transmission in PAG neurons."

              …and! Check this out:

              "Menthol has anesthetic properties similar to though less potent than propofol, interacting with the same sites on the GABAᴀ receptor."

              Propofol. PROPOFOL. The -ol in propofol is the -ol in menthol, haha.

              "Menthol may also enhance the activity of glycine receptors and negatively modulate 5-HT3 receptors and nAChRs."

              Aaaaand:

              "Menthol also lowers blood pressure and antagonizes vasoconstriction through TRPM8 activation."

              • arthurptj 13 hours ago
                many things are wild, just menthol has been studied for the past 50yrs
                • AnthonBerg 13 hours ago
                  Well said!!

                  My point was exactly the hope to indicate how much knowledge there exists. That's the truly wild thing. Or yeah, how unread most of it lays.

                • Noaidi 8 hours ago
                  Peppermint is even more wild becasue while Menthol is a TRPM8 agonist (cold sensation), ECGC, also very high in peppermint, is a TRPV1 agonist (warm sensation), which has the opposite effect of TRPM8.

                  The EGCG is probably what is reducing the blood pressure.

                  Transient receptor potential vanilloid type 1 is vital for (−)-epigallocatechin-3-gallate mediated activation of endothelial nitric oxide synthase

                  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.201400699

                  Cardioprotective and Anti-Hypertensive Effects of Epigallocatechin Gallate: Novel Insights Into Biological Evidence

                  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jch.70036

                  Anything with EGCG in it causes me extreme bladder pain, even peppermint tea. While taking tons of Ricola cough drops (high in mentol) once when I had covid I found my bladder pain vanished. I then learned how the TRPV1 receptor is involved in my bladder pain.

                  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24056-0

                  I

                  • AnthonBerg 6 hours ago
                    Exploding-head emoji reaction here, both generally and specifically. Thank you.
                • Noaidi 8 hours ago
                  I thought I wrote this are first! This is how I think through things as well with Nutritional Genomics. However, the pathway is probably not the cause for the lower blood pressure. The tea is very high in Epicatechin gallate which is most likely reason for the lower blood pressure.

                  http://phenol-explorer.eu/contents/food/869

                  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jch.70036

                  https://academic.oup.com/chemse/article-abstract/40/1/27/290...

                  • ErroneousBosh 14 hours ago
                    Fuck.

                    This is what I sound like when I talk about analogue electronics, isn't it?

                    Thing is I know I could look all those terms up and learn enough to be dangerous in a subject you're clearly very good at.

                  • mrob 1 day ago
                    >I wouldn't expect mint-family herbs to have much hormone modulating effect at all

                    Mints are closely related to pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium), which was traditionally (and dangerously because of toxicity) used as an abortifacient. Its mechanism of action is still unknown, so hormone modulating effects seem plausible to me.

                    • vector_spaces 1 day ago
                      By "mints" I meant the family lamiaceae, so pretty broadly which contains sages, rosemaries, basils, teak, verbena, and in hindsight of course contains examples like this which straddle medicine (depending on dosage and circumstances -- I'm not advocating it be used as such) and poison. Even if just restricting to the genus mentha apparently. Anyway good call
                      • samudrijan 1 day ago
                        Sit and drink pennyroyal tea, I’m anemic royalty.
                        • rshm 1 day ago
                          Also used as lactation reducing herb.
                      • mapt 12 hours ago
                        Peppermint is now familiar to most people as the ubiquitous taste of toothpaste, even moreso than candy, food, or drink.

                        If we cue university student volunteers on Toothpaste -> Selfcare -> Weightloss I wonder what happens.

                        I also wonder what placebo was used, and to what effect. The typical flavoring agent to make something peppermint-flavored is peppermint essential oil (or cornmint, spearmint, etc), and I don't know how you'd make it convincing without also including a bunch of hypothetically active compounds. The paper lists Schweppes Peppermint Cordial, without mint on the ingredients label. "Peppermint cordial" used as flavoring was historically 10% peppermint oil, and today the Schweppes product they cite just lists "flavourings" as ingredient.

                        • IAmBroom 7 hours ago
                          Alcoholic beverages are not required to list their flavoring ingredients, so "without mint on the ingredients label" says literally nothing.

                          Because the FDA regulates beverages separately from food (or at least alcoholic ones - not sure where the dividing line lies), you can sell booze flavored with things that you cannot put in snacks.

                          Lead and live tapeworm eggs are still out, though - for now.

                        • ktm5j 1 day ago
                          But weight/mass didn't change one bit (okay exaggeration, but not by much), so maybe peppermint helps relieve gas. Who knows? There's a lot that this data could mean, and no simple way to figure it out.
                          • bherms 1 day ago
                            i actually had heard it helps w/ bloating/stomach issues online and took for a while and def noticed a debloating effect and less gas... obviously 1 anecdote, but I'd assume any slight waistline reduction is due to that. Also sidenote: pooping often made it feel like I put a breathmint... up... "there" lol
                            • simondotau 1 day ago
                              Not surprising, it’s what happens to capsaicin too. Something has to happen to the molecules/compounds you consume. Either your body discards them, stores them, or transforms them.

                              The fascinating part is that your anal tissue has that level of sensitivity and insight.

                              • debo_ 1 day ago
                                Unlike the anuses in government etc.
                              • mindhash 18 hours ago
                                I thought on similar lines. Because I use it often for ibs i noticeably feel much better and I suspect the bp and heart rate reduction could be due to reduced gi effect on body
                                • scorpioxy 20 hours ago
                                  In my culture, that's the goto herbal drink for when you have a stomach ache due to indigestion or gas by the way. I don't know how or why they work but some of these things do work. The footnote here is that it is for pain/discomfort that would also go away by itself if untreated. It just speeds up the process and provides some comfort. For different kinds of pain/discomfort, a doctor needs to be consulted of course.
                                  • wahern 18 hours ago
                                    Mint stimulates release of bile, which can help digestion, especially of fats. I have gallstones and unfortunately recently learned first hand how powerful the effect is after eating a couple of leaves (two kinds, but I forget which) from a neighbor's garden.
                                    • samudrijan 1 day ago
                                      Funniest thing today so far.
                                    • ajb 1 day ago
                                      It's actually prescribed for that: https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/peppermint-oil/
                                      • Tade0 9 hours ago
                                        It's a mild laxative on top of that.

                                        I think they've pooped out the difference.

                                      • ChrisRR 9 hours ago
                                        Peppermint oil is a known laxative, so I wonder if that made a difference
                                        • mlmonkey 1 day ago
                                          Peppermint oil has traditionally been used in India for digestion, so you may be on to something. I remember this particular brand growing up: https://www.amazon.com/clp/B001NQ7S9G (no relation).
                                          • yumraj 22 hours ago
                                            I don’t think that’s peppermint. That’s pudina so spearmint. Mentha spicata.
                                          • f33d5173 1 day ago
                                            Nothing but blood pressure and heart rate was significant, and heart rate only barely so. I wouldn't read anything into the other numbers. It was a 20 day study, you aren't going to get long term outcomes from that.
                                            • Otterly99 11 hours ago
                                              It is a 0.7% drop, so very likely to not be significant unfortunately.
                                              • readthenotes1 2 hours ago
                                                8/130 is ~ 6%

                                                That is significant.

                                                Of course, you would have to do a real study to see side effects versus current blood pressure medication, but if there is no real harm in peppermint, the 6% drop over an adult lifetime might make a large difference in vascular health.

                                              • joecool1029 22 hours ago
                                                I'm wondering if caffeine was accounted for in this. One thing I seem to recall is peppermint tea has some inhibition of CYP1A2. I notice it's missing from the wikipedia page now, so maybe this was a flawed study or something... figured I'd mention in case anyone else knows.

                                                At least this study says the activity was reduced, not significantly though: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02786...

                                                • potatoking 1 day ago
                                                  I'd think weight could be causal for hypertension result or sentiment over health measurement could have been causal for weight or the study could just be too small.
                                                  • criddell 1 day ago
                                                    When you say weight, do you really mean obesity? And if you are talking about weight, is it likely that people who live in low gravity environments will have fewer hypertension problems?
                                                    • debo_ 1 day ago
                                                      On the topic of mass, I am certain your pedantic comment will be mass downvoted.
                                                      • criddell 12 hours ago
                                                        I just thought it was interesting to consider how blood pressure might be related to gravity.
                                                        • debo_ 10 hours ago
                                                          I just felt like making a mass pun.
                                                  • ipaddr 8 hours ago
                                                    I think its reducing bloating.
                                                    • rolisz 1 day ago
                                                      Maybe it helps with weight loss (I wish)
                                                      • yumraj 1 day ago
                                                        It seems to aid in digestion, soothe upset stomach, so maybe it does.
                                                        • leni536 1 day ago
                                                          It did help Mr Creosote.
                                                      • d--b 17 hours ago
                                                        Yes, and looking at dietary data, the study says that there is no difference in their diets, but carbohydrate intake drop from 217g to 171g. I don’t see how that’s insignificant.
                                                        • crooked-v 1 day ago
                                                          Wild-ass guess: maybe the aftertaste of peppermint oil twice daily leaves people who are already unhealthy wanting to snack less, leading to minor weight loss.
                                                          • simondotau 1 day ago
                                                            As a bit of random speculation: improved digestion might reduce the “needy stomach” sensation associated with hunger.
                                                        • jrflo 1 day ago
                                                          Whenever I see a study like this I assume that the researchers won the p<0.05 lottery
                                                          • cogman10 6 hours ago
                                                            I think that's more than likely here as "placebo" was literally this peppermint cordial [1].

                                                            They say it doesn't have peppermint oil in it... but it does list "flavorings" and I don't know how you make something taste like peppermint without using peppermint (or why you wouldn't).

                                                            The other possible explanation is 1 group is basically drinking an extra 200ml of water with a microscopic amount of peppermint oil, and the other group is drinking an extra 200ml of sugar water. The researchers may have literally just stumbled on the fact that more water and less soda has positive health impacts.

                                                            [1] https://www.tesco.com/shop/en-GB/products/254854798

                                                            • Otterly99 11 hours ago
                                                              Very likely. If they really wanted to make the results a bit stronger, they could at least have switched the two groups after 20 days.
                                                              • If you've tried 20 things, you've probably won that lottery. It's an easy lottery to win.
                                                                • justonceokay 1 day ago
                                                                  Classic xkcd on this topic https://xkcd.com/882/
                                                                • cogman10 6 hours ago
                                                                  Garbage study.

                                                                  The placebo was literally peppermint oil (they say what it is in the study). [1]

                                                                  They claim it didn't have peppermint oil in it because it's not listed in the ingredients... but the ingredients have a catch all "flavorings" listed.

                                                                  I highly doubt Coca Cola is getting a peppermint flavor by using anything other than peppermint oil. It's an incredibly cheap and easy oil to extract.

                                                                  So you had 2 groups drinking roughly the same thing and one did better than the other. The only real difference is one got sugar water and the test group got unsweetened water.

                                                                  [1] https://www.tesco.com/shop/en-GB/products/254854798

                                                                  • paimapi 23 hours ago
                                                                    a single RCT of 40 people is about middle-of-the-range when it comes the hierarchy of evidence and is at best a 'that's neat, I'll wait a few years for there to be more studies' if you don't want to do any more thinking about it, a 'I need to see it in context of other studies' if you want a lot of work, or a 'I sure hope there's a meta/review' if you don't have the time but still want to remain skeptical

                                                                    that said, there is a GRADE-assessed systematic review and meta on mint (PMC11587584) and this linked study's results are 7x the pooled effect size (SBP -8.5mmHg vs -1.2mmHg) of the other RCTs. the review also concludes that more high quality RCTs are needed before anything approaching clinical significance

                                                                    the wildly disproportionate effect size indicates to me that this is one going to be one of those outlier studies that future reviewers will either likely omit or clearly state that it is an outlier result and if they're super duper honest they'll provide the new pooled results with and without this outlier study

                                                                    • yumraj 1 day ago
                                                                      There are two types of peppermint supplements being sold: mentha pipereta that this study looked at, and mentha arvensis.

                                                                      I wonder if mentha arvensis has the same effect. Supplements vs mint tea would be another interesting thing to study in future.

                                                                      • kzrdude 1 day ago
                                                                        Based on your new information, I think it would be good to test the effect of supplemenths vs supplemints.
                                                                        • tclancy 1 day ago
                                                                          Please consider the fact there may be children reading before you do something like this again.
                                                                        • trueno 1 day ago
                                                                          im bored and want to buy some peppermint sups. someone drop a brand and sell me on it in the marketplace of ideas
                                                                        • killerstorm 12 hours ago
                                                                          Fun fact: in Soviet Union a common drug which people believe might reduce chance of a heart attack or stroke in high-stress/panic situation was Validol.

                                                                          What people don't know is that it was just peppermint oil + glucose. I.e. a mint candy in a pill form.

                                                                          Perhaps it actually did help people just acting as a placebo / distracting from their panic. "I did something now I should get better".

                                                                          But a concept of a panic attack was not widely known. I guess doctors believed it's easier to prescribe Validol which "prevents heart attack" than to explain people that their panic attack symptoms are caused by their brain

                                                                          • perks_12 11 hours ago
                                                                            N=40. No idea why one would release such bullshit.

                                                                            The worst part will be the idiotic news outlets publishing the stupid headline followed by the pseudoscience peddlers pushing peppermint oil supplements onto an ever-increasing boomer population by AI-generated Instagram ads. Lovely times we live in.

                                                                            • cogman10 6 hours ago
                                                                              Even worse, the placebo group drank peppermint cordial. The researchers are arguing there is no peppermint oil in it because it's not a listed ingredient, but the listed ingredients have "flavorings". Which, I'd be shocked if it weren't peppermint oil.

                                                                              This is the "placebo" they used [1]

                                                                              [1] https://www.tesco.com/shop/en-GB/products/254854798

                                                                              • padjo 10 hours ago
                                                                                Publish or perish mentality + difficulty funding a larger study is why this gets published. There's nothing particularly wrong with it as an exploratory study, the big problem is the lack of incentive to try to reproduce the results and publish the inevitable null result.
                                                                              • t1234s 23 hours ago
                                                                                Ceylon cinnamon also helps lower blood pressure https://www.webmd.com/diet/health-benefits-ceylon-cinnamon
                                                                              • drakonka 14 hours ago
                                                                                I wonder if the benefits could be seen to some extent with peppermint tea as well. I generally drink a cup daily because aside from just being relaxing I find it helps acne or other skin inflammation calm down faster.
                                                                                • amelius 14 hours ago
                                                                                  Maybe because it suppresses/modulates certain hormones? I'd be careful ...

                                                                                  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009042950...

                                                                                  > We performed this study because of major complaints in our area from men about the adverse effects of these herbs on male reproductive function.

                                                                                  • drakonka 13 hours ago
                                                                                    I'm not personally concerned with male reproductive function, but have looked into the hormonal effects in women as well. Some have been beneficial when peppermint is ingested in appropriate amounts. Everything in moderation.
                                                                                • overtone1000 1 day ago
                                                                                  That is very accurate sphygmomanometry!
                                                                                  • I'm guessing that this number is the result of the average of "x" people in the study, and not an individual measurement. But, yeah, I see what that looks like.
                                                                                  • _heimdall 20 hours ago
                                                                                    Peppermint is also very helpful for headaches and nausea in my experience. I'll smell some peppermint oil or put a drop on my upper lip, headaches and nausea go away pretty soon after.
                                                                                    • DennisP 10 hours ago
                                                                                      I grew up sailing on the Chesapeake, and we used it for seasickness.
                                                                                    • DonHopkins 1 day ago
                                                                                      Doctor Bronner was right!

                                                                                      Peppermint - Pure-Castile Magic Soap: Cool, Refresh, and Awaken with Invigorating Peppermint

                                                                                      https://www.drbronner.com/products/peppermint-pure-castile-l...

                                                                                      Dr. Bronner invented the peppermint oil soap for soiled diapers

                                                                                      https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1978/nov/02/cover-look-f...

                                                                                      Created in California: How Dr. Bronner’s became the soap for every subculture

                                                                                      https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-07-12/dr-bronner...

                                                                                      >Perhaps inspired by that experimental ethos, customers have discovered their own unusual uses in the years since Emanuel started mixing gallons of peppermint castile soap out of his Pershing Square tenement apartment in 1948. [...]

                                                                                      >David, Mike and Lisa Bronner grew up in Glendale, not giving much thought to the prospect of one day taking over the family business and generally regarding their grandfather as a bewildering figure.

                                                                                      >“My granddad was always talking about uniting ‘Spaceship Earth,’ and it was kind of sailing over our heads,” David said.

                                                                                      >“He’d be talking to us as if we were all PhD students in religious studies,” Mike said of visits to Emanuel’s home when the siblings were in elementary school. “He was blind, and every once in a while he would say, ‘Are you there?’ and we’d be like, “All-one, Grandpa!’ And he’d be like, ‘Very good. OK, I want you to recite the peppermint bottle.’”

                                                                                      Lisa Bronner: The Poetry of the Lavender Label

                                                                                      https://www.lisabronner.com/the-poetry-of-the-lavender-label

                                                                                      >The label on the quart size of the Lavender Pure-Castile Magic Soap holds the greatest insight for me into his motivations and goals. The Peppermint label records the tenets of his Moral ABC, his guidelines for humanity to find unity and a path forward. But it is the Lavender quart that hosts his poetry, and in that I see his heart. [...]

                                                                                      >"To keep my health! To do my work! To love, to live!"

                                                                                      >"Great peace is found in little busyness."

                                                                                      >"Work well yourself and work for all."

                                                                                      >"Til we rally, raise, unite!"

                                                                                      >"All-One-God-Faith, All-One! Unite!"

                                                                                      >"Lives of great men all remind us we can make our lives sublime."

                                                                                      >"Life is real! Life is earnest! And the grave is not its goal."

                                                                                      >"Let us then be up and doing ... still achieving, still pursuing"

                                                                                      >"In all we do, let us be generous, fair & loving to Spaceship Earth and all its inhabitants."

                                                                                      >"We're ALL-ONE OR NONE! ALL-ONE!"

                                                                                      • cogman10 6 hours ago
                                                                                        This study compared a group that drank peppermint oil against a group that drank peppermint oil.

                                                                                        These researchers picked a placebo that was the thing they were trying to test. The dingdongs didn't think that "flavorings" could include peppermint.

                                                                                        So I'd hold off on singing the praises of peppermint as this is a pretty obvious flaw to the study.

                                                                                        This is the "placebo": https://www.tesco.com/shop/en-GB/products/254854798

                                                                                        • NDizzle 1 day ago
                                                                                          This is my favorite soap, by far, for what it’s worth. The peppermint one, in fact. ALL ONE!
                                                                                        • saulpw 18 hours ago
                                                                                          Maybe we can add some licorice root to balance the effect.
                                                                                          • catigula 1 day ago
                                                                                            The funny thing is, I've read countless meta-analyses on various mainstream drugs, where total n=hundreds of thousands, and I still don't know if they work at all or not.
                                                                                            • reilly3000 1 day ago
                                                                                              Aren’t people generally getting some via toothpaste?
                                                                                            • profsummergig 1 day ago
                                                                                              So does it therefore reduce stress? Anyone?
                                                                                              • Finnucane 21 hours ago
                                                                                                Those old York's Peppermint Patty ads were on to something.
                                                                                              • 1337h4xx 21 hours ago
                                                                                                Essential oils are quite versatile for self-experimentation; maybe one day the world will rediscover oilahuasca.
                                                                                                • Lu2025 1 day ago
                                                                                                  Well, mint tea does make me sleepy
                                                                                                  • alastairr 1 day ago
                                                                                                    Peppermint group N=20. Mkay. 2 of those lost to followup, one because they didn't like the taste (control group got peppermint cordial). The result might be real but needs followup before we all starting gulping down peppermint oil.
                                                                                                    • cogman10 5 hours ago
                                                                                                      > The result might be real

                                                                                                      How could they be? The peppermint cordial almost certainly contains peppermint oil!

                                                                                                      The authors chose it because it wasn't explicitly listed on the ingredients list, but what was listed was "flavorings". I highly doubt coca cola used anything other than peppermint oil to flavor a peppermint drink. That would be bizarre to say the least.

                                                                                                      • bryceacc 1 day ago
                                                                                                        >50 µL of supplement diluted into 100 mL of water

                                                                                                        pretty tiny amount of peppermint was consumed

                                                                                                        • I was surprised by this too. From a background in writing code to control precision pumps, I have a good idea of what 50 µL looks like and it seemed like an awfully small amount. But I don't know how concentrated the oil is.

                                                                                                          FWIW, I had an Indian co-worker who took peppermint oil frequently and said that it was very good for his upset stomach.

                                                                                                          • jeffbee 1 day ago
                                                                                                            That's enough to turn a whole barrel of water detectably minty.
                                                                                                        • Palomides 1 day ago
                                                                                                          HN really upvotes some dumb medical articles, come on, n=20 about peppermint?
                                                                                                          • binarymax 1 day ago
                                                                                                            I've got an n=65 about hibiscus and blood pressure, which has been better well known for awhile. https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2008...
                                                                                                            • spathi_fwiffo 1 day ago
                                                                                                              now we need a study of adding Peppermint oil into hybiscus tea.
                                                                                                              • SwellJoe 1 day ago
                                                                                                                A Mediterranean place I used to eat at weekly served a hibiscus mint (spearmint, though) tea. Pretty nice.
                                                                                                                • cicko 1 day ago
                                                                                                                  I'll do a n=1 study on that
                                                                                                              • rozap 1 day ago
                                                                                                                Silence, we have disruptive direct to consumer peptide startups that need to pump.
                                                                                                                • red-iron-pine 3 hours ago
                                                                                                                  do the peptides have n < 20?

                                                                                                                  cuz if so they may have more reason to sell than the bloody mint oil

                                                                                                                • ChickeNES 1 day ago
                                                                                                                  From PLOS One as well! I remember in college, I was taking a bio class that taught how to read journal articles...and a psych class that was assigning them. Psych class assigned almost solely PLOS One articles...which didn't survive the criticism I was being taught in the bio class lmao
                                                                                                                  • pessimizer 1 day ago
                                                                                                                    If there's anything consistent about HN as long as I've been on it, it's that HN is orthorexic.
                                                                                                                  • inglor_cz 16 hours ago
                                                                                                                    Doesn't it make sense to run a small trial before running a big trial?

                                                                                                                    Also, peppermint oil is unpatentable. Neither Merck nor Novo Nordisk can hope to make billions from it, and without the profit motive, the list of institutions with both the budget and the will to fund a 500+ participant study is pretty short. This might be the best we can get.

                                                                                                                    And yes, I get that a small trial has less of a value...

                                                                                                                  • Zylokloto 14 hours ago
                                                                                                                    Another thing you should do.

                                                                                                                    How do people even become like 60-70 or 80 around me without all this magic?

                                                                                                                    tztztzt

                                                                                                                    • techteach00 1 day ago
                                                                                                                      Also works well for IBS. Popular brand name green box. Bit pricey.
                                                                                                                      • bell-cot 10 hours ago
                                                                                                                        A small, traumatized little part of me is envisioning a whole new aisle of "Heart Healthy" peppermint ice cream products appearing in every store, holiday decorations going up, and speakers blaring Christmas carols a week before Labor Day.

                                                                                                                        /s?

                                                                                                                        • liveoneggs 1 day ago
                                                                                                                          herbal tea is good for you, it seems
                                                                                                                          • SwellJoe 1 day ago
                                                                                                                            This study did not involve tea. Do you have links to studies showing herbal tea has similar effect? (Sincere question, I drink a lot of peppermint tea for its mild decongestant effects.)