Borges Labyrinth in Venice reopens to the public

(wallpaper.com)

65 points | by gone35 3 days ago

11 comments

  • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago
    I don't think I've come across anything related to Borges that hasn't been worth reading. I really need to investigate him more.

    My first introduction was the 'Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge'[0], from which I will never forget "those that tremble as if they were mad"

    And in rare scenarios I've found 'On Exactitude in Science'[1] to be pertinent. The thing itself is it's own map (maybe even: the code _is_ the documentation).

    [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevole...

    [1]: https://neilgreenberg.com/ao-quote-borges-on-exactitude-in-s...

    • svrtknst 2 hours ago
      I refer to Exactitude quite often, but more often to highlight that the code isn't the documentation, to use the same analogy.

      When we make a map, it is a purposeful abstraction. It disregards some things and exaggerates others. The map cannot explain everything – to do so it would need to be exactly the same size as the land beneath it.

      When you make a map, document code, present or listen to an argument etc. you need to focus on what's important for this specific purpose. Otherwise your map will be useless. Either from being incomplete, of from being too complete.

      • mdp2021 50 minutes ago
        Have you read El Aleph and Ficciones?

        Have you read Libro del cielo y del infierno, and El libro de los seres imaginarios, and Cuentos breves y extraordinarios?

        The poetry is also very, very worth it.

        And there is a recording of Borges reading a selection of his own poems. (Of which do not miss, for example, "El Golem").

      • loevborg 9 minutes ago
        I was on the island of San Giorgio Maggiore last year and was disappointed that I wasn't able to see the labyrinth. Also if I remember correctly the tower of the church wasn't accessible due to renovations. I'm glad to hear that the labyrinth is getting reopened. In general there's so much so see in Venice, and most of it is not overcrowded at all once you skip the top 10 sights that get visits by mass tourism.
        • a_number_of_his 2 hours ago
          It's not a labyrinth though!?

          Begin argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth

          • mdp2021 1 hour ago
            The original labyrinth in Knossos was (according to some) was the royal Minoan palace on Crete, with structure so intricate it was a maze. The labrys is the double-edged axe, symbol of power, at its gate.

            Labyrinth is many things - substantially a maze (not e.g. a subset of it like specific shape).

            • telesilla 2 hours ago
              It is a garden, with forking paths.

              (I adore Borges, his Aleph story follows me through life, such wonders he opened.. "but all space was there, actual and undiminished"..)

              https://dn760105.eu.archive.org/0/items/borges-jorge-luis-bo...

              • BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago
                But it would feel like one if you woke up in the middle of it with nothing but your wits.
              • dramm 47 minutes ago
                Nigel specified the height of the Borges labyrinth hedges in inches mistaking them for feet.
                • officehero 1 hour ago
                  "House of Asterion" is Borges's main labyrinth story as far as I can remember. "Library of Babel", "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbits Tertius", "The Immortal" and "The Aleph" are my favorites. His collected works fit in a single book and is a great example of quality beats quantity.
                  • devindotcom 1 hour ago
                    I suspect most would point to The Garden of Forking Paths as his "main labyrinth story" if he could be said to have such a thing. The Library of Babel is also a labyrinth of sorts. I recall another where a guy faked his own murder. He was really a labyrinthine guy.
                  • crabmusket 4 hours ago
                    What a coincidence - I'm currently reading his collection Labyrinths. If you've enjoyed the short stories of Ted Chiang I'd highly recommend it.
                    • nottorp 2 hours ago
                      Or chronologically, you may like Ted Chiang if you like Borges. I mean, who was there first?
                      • simiones 20 minutes ago
                        This comes off as claiming that no one could possibly read Harry Potter if they haven't read The Illiad yet, nor the Illiad if they haven't read the Epic of Gilgamesh.
                    • schaefer 4 hours ago
                      I love this book so much (Labyrinths, by Borges).

                      I once calculated the number of books in The Library of Bable, and had to try a number of numerical libraries to do so. one after another they kept puking on the large integers.

                      I also think of "the secret miracle" often.

                    • AngryData 6 hours ago
                      Well I guess its neat they added a tactile map for the blind at the beginning of the maze, except the solid hard barrier at the bottom within the very narrow spaces and with hard corners is a massive tripping hazard even for people who can see.
                      • mdp2021 46 minutes ago
                        > I guess its neat

                        I guess it is a direct idea given the structure is there to celebrate a blind master.

                      • bywater 3 hours ago
                        Given his themes, I wonder if the exit is just an illusion, or if you truly feel lost inside. Peak Borges tribute.
                        • jmutex 5 hours ago
                          Hope they have good signage, or at least a debugger. A real-world recursive data structure!
                          • Markoff 1 hour ago
                            Can someone please tell me how is it different from any other labyrinth and what makes it special (because it's memorial to some writer?)? I looked at photos and besides curved corners don't really see anything special.
                            • mdp2021 1 hour ago
                              Look at its scheme from above

                              https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/bFhmPUzXwoyNXtWmfaeGCb-102...

                              > memorial

                              Well yes, Borges was especially fond of labyrinths. And Borges is not just any writer: his process and language is indelible to anyone who read him, especially in formative years.

                              • mdp2021 57 minutes ago
                                Of course the labyrinth in Borges is a full concept, not just a plain geometric shape.

                                --

                                Spinoza

                                Las traslúcidas manos del judío // labran en la penumbra los cristales // y la tarde que muere es miedo y frío. // (Las tardes a las tardes son iguales.)

                                Las manos y el espacio de jacinto // que palidece en el confín del Ghetto // casi no existen para el hombre quieto // que está soñando un claro laberinto.

                                No lo turba la fama, ese reflejo // de sueños en el sueño de otro espejo, // ni el temeroso amor de las doncellas.

                                Libre de la metáfora y del mito // labra un arduo cristal: el infinito // mapa de Aquel que es todas Sus estrellas.

                                • pixelatedindex 56 minutes ago
                                  It even almost reads like “Borges”, at least on the top. The design is remarkable.
                                  • mdp2021 53 minutes ago
                                    You spoiled it for the OP, to whom we were trying to give hints ;)
                                • devindotcom 1 hour ago
                                  nothing about its shape strikes you?