7 comments

  • robertlane0 17 minutes ago
    Well, according to Artificial Analysis (which I'll admit I've been using as a bit of a mental crutch to avoid comparing models myself, so YMMV), it's smarter and slightly cheaper than Gemini 3.8 Flash, which has been my benchline for "cheap and smart enough", I'll give it a try on OpenCode for the week but I'm not sure I'll be compelled enough to switch from Muse Spark 1.3.
    • jstummbillig 3 hours ago
      Why is that interesting?
      • theturtletalks 3 hours ago
        Stepfun made a close to SOTA model with 3.5. They got overtaken quickly but have shown enough to be given attention when a new model releases.

        It’s also an open model. Even if you only use Opus and Sol, these open models help push them and the frontier.

        • serf 2 hours ago
          well, it's free for now , beyond that eh.
        • lykr0n 4 hours ago
          Wonder if this was the space bunny alpha model
          • james2doyle 25 minutes ago
            Its been on ZenMux for at least 2 weeks so I doubt they are hiding
            • minimaxir 4 hours ago
              After some quick tests, it likely isn't. Additionally, Space Bunny Alpha had hints it was a Minimax-variant model.
            • esafak 5 hours ago
              It doesn't look competitive along any dimension: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/step-5#intelligence-com...

              Better luck next time.

              • RussianCow 3 hours ago
                It's fast. The average speed is 115 tokens/sec according to OpenRouter. I haven't tested the model to see how it is in practice, but I'd certainly pay a little extra for faster inference.

                Edit: Though the average latency of 1.5s isn't very low, so it might not be that fast in practice for agentic work. Also, I don't know how much thinking it does, as that's generally been the drawback to Chinese models.

                • celrod 2 hours ago
                  Using Artificial Analysis

                  Model | Reasoning | Intelligence Index | Artificial Analysis million output tokens for the intelligence index -|-|-|- Step 5 | ? | 44 | 160 GLM 5.3 | Max | 45 | 210 MiMo V2.6 Pro | ? | 46 | 140 Kimi K3 | Max | 44 | 160 Qwen Max 0902 | ? | 45 | 190 DeepSeek 4.1 Flash | Max | 39 | 250 GLM 5.3-flash | Max | 42 | 180 GPT-6 Astra | Low | 46 | 10

                  It looks reasonable by open model standards. This doesn't capture the fact that DeepSeek and Step 5 have much higher token/s than the rest, other than MiMo Ultraspeed. MiMo V2.6 is either slow but cheap, or fast but expensive. Just based on these numbers, it looks good. Astra-low is one of the fastest and cheapest because it doesn't use many tokens, but I've never tried it. I liked DeepSeek and GLM when I used them.

              • kydanet 1 hour ago
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                • MisterMunchkin 3 hours ago
                  I like trying new models but I wish we’d get something actually new. Like a new architecture or something. LLMs are just so sloppish. We can do better.
                  • famouswaffles 1 hour ago
                    Talk is cheap. You have to actually beat transformers first. All alternate architectures that have sprung up are sidegrades at best.
                    • cyanydeez 3 hours ago
                      welcome to the sigmoid...
                    • hosel 5 hours ago
                      Without the pelicans I don’t know what to think

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                      https://postimg.cc/c6L2MjSt

                      12m 0s and $0.28

                      >Draw a Hacker News-style comment thread. Top comment by a user named "pelican_enjoyer": "Without the pelicans I don't know what to think." Reply from "minimaxir" in a grumpy tone: "Since people keep doing it: no, you don't have to make an allusion to Simon's pelicans every time a Hacker News thread about a new LLM pops up. It's a lower-effort joke than even Reddit memes." Beside the thread, show a pelican riding a bicycle, looking smug.

                      • minimaxir 5 hours ago
                        Since people keep doing it: no, you don't have to make an allusion to Simon's pelicans every time a Hacker News thread about a new LLM pops up. It's a lower-effort joke than even Reddit memes.
                        • minimaxir 2 hours ago
                          Re: the edit where the OP added an image: I'm more bemused than offended.
                          • hypfer 4 hours ago
                            I'd just read it as social friction, just like I'd read your comment as that very same thing.

                            This is the consensus mechanism doing its job, essentially.

                            __

                            Though to be fair, the way I frame it assumes no connections between nodes and independent choices, when in reality, we have groups supporting each other.

                            So it's not necessarily the best mechanism, as social cohesion and other such dysfunctions might be steering away from the objectively correct solution through not necessarily rational biases.

                            Or rather not necessarily rational when viewed in just the specific context, but possibly rational when zooming out and considering whole-subsystem health.

                            • minimaxir 4 hours ago
                              Low-effort content is generally discouraged on Hacker News because it lowers the quality of the site. It's not a deep commentary on socioeconomics.
                              • hypfer 4 hours ago
                                Like posting the exact same personal brand-building under each new model you mean?

                                As said, there is no right or wrong here. Well, technically there is and it is my opinion (obviously), but if we take a step back, it's exactly what I just described and you (unfortunately) discarded through bulldozing.

                                The """"thought leaders"""" will have to live with the fact that some people just don't think that their work is adding all that much value. It's a bit unpleasant for the ego of course, but that's kinda the trade when making money with fluff.

                            • behole 4 hours ago
                              Pelican Police. Cry more.
                            • Razengan 3 hours ago
                              There was a better alternative, buried by dumb HN censorship:

                              The Assbench: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49807688

                              • behole 5 hours ago
                                paging Simon Wilson!