Kevin Kelly's 2016 AI Predictions, 10 Years Later

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104 points | by surprisetalk 6 hours ago

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  • stephen_cagle 4 hours ago
    By my own, completely arbitrary split of this into 16 predictions, I would say that this hits on maybe 8 of 16 if we are being a bit generous. Which is good, but certainly not "Inevitable" (the title of the book).

    With that said, maybe he meant inevitable as N approaches infinity... So there's still time!

    Aside: I think the biggest interesting prediction he had was that AI would obey a user driven network effect. It seems like a very clean prediction, and yet it has failed to materialize? I wonder if this has more to do with just how scrape-able the whole internet was or with distilation or what? There is certainly an advantage to having good user data, but it seems like it is largely something that can be worked around (by hook or crook)?

    • naasking 39 minutes ago
      Is 50% good? It's what you'd expect by posing "will AI do X by 2026?" and then flipping a coin to get an answer.
  • cousinbryce 4 hours ago
    Google’s main product was and continues to be ads
    • DeusExMachina 6 minutes ago
      Are they integrating it well with AI overviews then? It looks like they haven't found a way to monetize it yet.
      • pipes 3 hours ago
        It's a bit nit picky because what most users use is theirnai search , well I'm guessing that's what most of us interact with
        • euiee 1 hour ago
          They are an ads business my friend - it’s what generate the revenues to cross subsidies the freebies.
          • dude250711 32 minutes ago
            Google is a ChatGPT for quick answers, and ChatGPT is a Google for deep web search.
          • jakzurr 3 hours ago
            Yes, thank you.
          • at1as 3 hours ago
            In addition to writing about current (and future) technology, Kevin Kelly also put together Vanishing Asia, a photo book documenting disappearing communities and traditions across Asia

            Possibly the best photography book I've come across. It's out of print, but I managed to snag a copy on eBay last year

            • rossdavidh 1 hour ago
              I would say that KK's "The bulk of AI will be special purpose software brains" has turned out closer to the truth than "The Bitter Lesson" has. LLM's do not drive cars, or vice versa. Stockfish still beats the newest, largest LLM at chess. Etc. Most of the truly productive "AI" is customized for a specific purpose, or class of purposes anyway.
              • BenzeneDream 1 hour ago
                For now. But the trend remains that bigger, smarter, general purpose AI beats smaller specific purpose models. This is why GPT 5 and 6 remain better at OCR than anything Mistral has put out.
                • petermcneeley 58 minutes ago
                  Dont many of the LLMs have smaller sub expert models inside?
                  • calebkaiser 4 minutes ago
                    That's sort of a loaded question depending on what you mean by "smaller sub expert models inside".

                    At the most abstract level, you can observe patterns in a model's activations and theorize that particular collections of components contribute to particular kinds of operations. There are many flavors of this intuition. In that sense, you can think of there being "submodels" within a model, insofar as different parts of the network can participate in specialized computations. Some reading that might interest you in this area would include things like mechanistic interpretability.

                    There are also Mixture of Expert models, which are a dominant architecture for LLMs now, in which you essentially have a bunch of smaller FFNs that get routed over/aggregated together when the LLM performs a forward pass. It would be a mistake to treat any single expert as a better task specific model though. They are trained as part of an ensemble, and they're almost always being combined with other experts in the forward pass, so they're more like (to use a loose analogy) regions of the brain that tend to correspond more towards particular actions than others. You couldn't just extract one and say "This is now our Chess model that performs as well as the larger LLM we took it from". You could potentially use the relevant experts as a basis for training a smaller task-specific model, and there is work around expert pruning and other distillation techniques, but it's not as simple as "This smaller inner model is a complete task-specific model as is". And more importantly, that ensemble of experts *is* the LLM you're comparing it to, at least in major part. It doesn't really make sense to treat the LLM as some foreign model that calls the expert. The experts themselves don't often correlate to easily interpretable task domains, as they've been learned via joint computation with the other experts and broader LLM.

                    Then there's tool calling. Today LLMs are trained to make tool calls (basically execute functions) for particular tasks. Those tools can be smaller specialized models, or deterministic code, or anything really that can be fired from a host environment.

              • froobius 2 hours ago
                these are good / accurate, but what's the error-rate? assuming these have been cherry picked, and he made more predictions
                • AndrewKemendo 4 hours ago
                  If you really want your mind blown look at how accurate Ray Kurzweil was from his 1999 book Age of Spiritual Machines

                  The most striking thing is that almost all of his missed predictions were missed not because the technology was not available, but because society rejected or didn’t adopt that technology

                  • socializer 3 hours ago
                    > but because society rejected or didn’t adopt that technology

                    OK, so imagine that in 1980, I predicted that we'll colonize Mars by the year 2020. Today, I'm arguing that I was right in my prediction - in broad strokes, we have the technology! Nothing is stopping us. It's just that politicians have different priorities.

                    Of course, that's a load of bull. You can't decouple predictions about the future of mankind from what said mankind actually decides.

                    I looked up the predictions on Wikipedia and I'd say that most of them are general enough that they'd hard to disagree with back in 1999 (there will be bioengineering, there will be portable computers, there will be robots, there will be AI), but the timing or the specifics are off on almost every single one of them.

                  • hyperpape 2 hours ago
                    Go to Dan Luu's evaluation (https://danluu.com/futurist-predictions/), search for "Appendix: detailed information on predictions". Seems like Kurzweil's has a huge number of awful predictions. This is from four years ago, so a few things are closer to being real now. But many things he predicted for the early 2000s still haven't arrived.
                    • AndrewKemendo 1 hour ago
                      To be clear I’m not saying he got everything right but if you look at the missed ones, many were/are possible technically
                      • jurgenburgen 1 hour ago
                        What’s the value of predictions if they’re not good enough to make decisions on?
                    • at1as 3 hours ago
                      I think it is largely domain dependent. He's had solid predictions around computing, but for biology (and longevity) he seems to be way off.

                      For instance, by his prediction, we're already many years past a 100 year average life expectancy (with 120 years expected by the end of the decade).

                      I think his mistake was tightly coupling exponential compute with exponential progress in biology - which has so far not panned out.

                      • _doctor_love 4 hours ago
                        > but because society rejected or didn’t adopt that technology

                        I would argue that society would likely have been glad to adopt, but the profit-seeking motive got in the way (again).

                        • AndrewKemendo 4 hours ago
                          Actually I think it’s the inverse

                          I was focused on augmented reality largely in part because it was such a big enabler of all other AI technologies

                          However people have almost uniformly rejected AR glasses my entire career for social reasons and that is only increasing

                          To the point where in 2016 I was debating with Jessica Alba and she was firm that they won’t take off cause most people don’t want to wear glasses

                          • NDlurker 3 hours ago
                            I don't like wearing glasses. I should wear my glasses more often, but I don't. But that isn't going to stop me from buying the Even Reality G2
                      • esafak 1 hour ago
                        All right, let's see his 2026 predictions for the next ten.
                        • royal__ 2 hours ago
                          Another prediction I remember from this book was that AI would be supplied much like electricity as a kind of utility into many different appliances. This is basically how it has turned out with tokens and APIs.
                          • brabel 3 hours ago
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                            • nialv7 1 hour ago
                              OK, but which ones of his predictions did NOT come true? We don’t want survivorship bias do we?
                              • zaik 22 minutes ago
                                The real survivorship bias is the selection of forecasters.