13 comments

  • divbzero 17 minutes ago
    ‘Else’ is not commonly used in English today but the meaning does fit. From Webster’s (1913):

    Else, adverb or conjunction

    1. Besides; except that mentioned; in addition; as, nowhere else; no one else.

    2. Otherwise; in the other, or the contrary, case; if the facts were different.

    “For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it.” – Ps. li. 16.

    After ‘or’, else is sometimes used expletively, as simply noting an alternative. “Will you give thanks, … or else shall I?” – Shak.

    • stkdump 41 minutes ago
      The modern universal keywords if, else, for and while are good because they are fairly short and thus quick to type.
      • divbzero 5 minutes ago
        Yes, otherwise is more natural but less terse.
      • pram 24 minutes ago
        Don’t even get me started on “elif”
        • zacharyvoase 37 minutes ago
          it was probably a rote translation of the German word ‘sonst’
          • akersten 1 hour ago
            > I can't use "else" as a conjunction in normal speech, only in computer programs.

            sure you can. who's going to stop you?

            • wvenable 25 minutes ago
              Hurry up, else we'll be late. You'd better leave now, else you'll miss the bus. Do what I say, else there'll be trouble.
              • RachelF 35 minutes ago
                someone else ;-)
              • fcarraldo 51 minutes ago
                If something were to be true, then foo.

                Or if this other thing were to be true, then bar.

                If it’s something else, then baz.

                • bitwize 35 minutes ago
                  No. English has used else to mean "otherwise" since before computers came along. Wiktionary offers this quote from Call of the Wild (1903):

                  "He had never seen dogs fight as these wolfish creatures fought, and his first experience taught him an unforgetable lesson. It is true, it was a vicarious experience, else he would not have lived to profit by it."

                  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/else#Conjunction

                  There's also "or else", as made famous in crime dramas: "Meet me by the docks at midnight. Bring the money. Come alone. No cops... or else!" But in other usage it can of course be followed by something. "He had to get to work on time, or else he might be fired."

                  • saintfire 36 minutes ago
                    Article states else is archiac English but later says someone called it ignorantly incorrect English and suggested using "or".

                    Ive always assumed it was effectively "otherwise" but shortened to "or else" -> "else".

                    Given the alternative to use "or" as the first pushback I feel that acts as confirmation. I prefer else because "or" has implications in boolean and bitwise logic that else doesn't.

                    • LocalH 10 minutes ago
                      what
                      • Frieren 57 minutes ago
                        If ... then ... otherwise ...

                        Fixed!

                        • hcs 30 minutes ago
                          if ... then ... neht ... fi
                          • voidmoth 20 minutes ago
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                          • wewewedxfgdf 1 hour ago
                            The English language origin is from programming if/then/else
                          • xdennis 36 minutes ago
                            > I can't use "else" as a conjunction in normal speech, only in computer programs.

                            Not true. Here's an example from 1876 in which "else" is used as a conjunction.

                            > My brother is poor, and I want to look as much like him as I can, else he may feel distant from me.

                            -- George Eliot ( https://www.victorianlondon.org/etexts/eliot/deronda-0047.sh... )

                            ---

                            Here's an example of "if ... else" from the 1914 translation of Crime and Punishment ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment/Part_IV/... ):

                            > Perhaps it will all come back, but now if you love me, give me up . . . else I shall begin to hate you, I feel it.