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  • _ink_ 32 minutes ago
    Are they saying what the target valuation is?
    • paxy 2 minutes ago
      I've seen estimates of $1.3T
      • trunnell 22 minutes ago
        They’re offering 825,000,000 shares for $70 and $78 per share. That would raise about $57B-$64B.

        It doesn’t say what percentage of the total shares that would be.

        • outside1234 2 minutes ago
          Is it crazy that they don't have to explain that? How can you know if that price makes sense without knowing the total?
        • albertwang 23 minutes ago
          up to $1.405T valuation on a fully diluted basis
        • bhouston 1 hour ago
          Why do their models always get Nerf'ed? Is Anthropic doing planned obsolescence or are they trying to encourage use of their latest models? Opus 5.5 was clearly Nerf'ed last week. I think they are at risk of getting a class action lawsuit for deceptive practices with this unannounced "model optimization" that actually changes performance as compared to the advertised performance in the official model cards.
          • cube00 31 minutes ago
            > Why do their models always get Nerf'ed?

            It's frustrating they can't be transparent that they're even doing it, let alone why they're doing it.

            They still charge you full price and don't offer any quota resets even though you're getting less value for money while you're working with a nerfed model.

            • htrp 23 minutes ago
              they don't have the chips and need the compute
              • dgellow 3 minutes ago
                And their customers seem to be okay paying
                • cush 15 minutes ago
                  This is the answer. Old model makes way for new
                • vonneumannstan 12 minutes ago
                  >Why do their models always get Nerf'ed? Is Anthropic doing planned obsolescence or are they trying to encourage use of their latest models? Opus 5.5 was clearly Nerf'ed last week. I think they are at risk of getting a class action lawsuit for deceptive practices with this unannounced "model optimization" that actually changes performance as compared to the advertised performance in the official model cards.

                  You have psychosis my friend. They don't nerf the models.

                  • redanddead 37 minutes ago
                    probably the only way to make their economics work
                  • htrp 18 minutes ago
                    Valuation at 968B plus green shoe?
                    • brcmthrowaway 10 minutes ago
                      Anyone else feel incredibly left out?
                      • dgellow 2 minutes ago
                        In which way? If you want in you will have in after the IPO
                        • paxy 2 minutes ago
                          Do you feel left out when someone wins the lottery?
                          • ur-whale 6 minutes ago
                            > Anyone else feel incredibly left out?

                            I'm sure there were a lot of people without enough money to invest in Madoff's scheme that felt that way as well.

                          • hubraumhugo 29 minutes ago
                            Some more structured stats on the IPO, valuation, and compute commitments: https://www.kadoa.com/companies/insights/anthropic-ipo-prici...
                            • willmadden 1 hour ago
                              I'm sure they'll do well, but I just can't get behind the investment thesis. Eventually the LLMs will plateau. Specialized expert models will dominate each knowledge area, because they can handle specific tasks without as much overhead. Then the swarm of agents will be burned onto silicon to reduce interference costs. Every X time intervals both the models and silicon will evolve, but less frequently than in the wild-west environment of today. Instead of new models every 3 days, we'll see a new set of models on a hardware release cadence. You'll be able to customize your model by mixing and matching expert model chips.

                              Software > hardware is a hell of a pivot, and Alphabet and Meta already do hardware. Unless they are building a huge IP moat and have proven themselves competitive with hardware, I don't see the rosy future.

                              • lucrbvi 1 minute ago
                                The bet behind Anthropic is whether they will be the first to reach recursive self-improvement (RSI). Some experts thinks that if anyone achieve RSI, then it would be easy for them to reach superintelligence.

                                That's my understanding of things at least.

                                • FLeXMurphy 28 minutes ago
                                  You can make that argument for just about any field, pre and post LLM. A lot of investing is point-in-time.

                                  I'm sure there was a point in time when everyone thought horses had a great moat.

                                  • josh2600 1 minute ago
                                    I mean they kinda did for a few thousand years, no?
                                  • Verdex 30 minutes ago
                                    It sure feels like the obvious target for increasing revenue is to charge the software engineers more. Most other users that I see are either using the tech as a novelty, which will wear out really quick once the thumb screws come out, or users who cannot explain to me to save their life what the ROI is beyond "disruption".

                                    The software engineers are also the most likely to pivot to local inference. I know several engineers playing around with local as a hobby. After the first bill comes in that means nobody gets the Christmas bonus this year, they'll resolve the issue and start figuring out how to adapt their workflow.

                                    And somehow I doubt that they'll need frontier for the majority of customers who just need crud and libraries hooked up. Yeah it won't be as easy as with frontier but it just means the party is over and it's time to get back to work.

                                    So ... Maybe security audits need frontier ... And they can pass the price increase onto their customers, I presume, easily enough.

                                    I'm not convinced thats sufficient to pay off the bill that it took to get frontier in the first place.

                                    [And so far, I haven't met a single software engineering customer, although surely they have to exist somewhere, who was actually comfortable vibe coding their crown jewels or even anything vaguely auxiliary. Please engineer ask the magic box to generate code for us. I think they'll be just as happy checking a box they says 'save money by using agentic development' if they box is hooked up to some future price gouging frontier or hypothetically cheaper local setup]

                                    • gb2d_hn 35 minutes ago
                                      They'll be fine. They just need to prompt a swarm of Claudes to pivot to hardware /s
                                    • igleria 41 minutes ago
                                      > The initial public offering price is expected to be between $70.00 and $78.00 per share.

                                      finally, a number analysts can obsess about until the IPO launches

                                      • dominotw 28 minutes ago
                                        doesnt mean anything on its own though
                                      • ForHackernews 13 minutes ago
                                        https://x.com/findatasets/status/2120145211733180753

                                        All these valuations seem nuts to me, but who knows. Maybe there's some reason big enterprise will keep shoveling money into the Anthropic furnace to avoid downloading GLM.

                                        • neural_thing 6 minutes ago
                                          what value would you assign a company that has grown it's revenue run rate $1B-$10B-$100B in 2 years?
                                        • bix6 36 minutes ago
                                          Am I reading this right that the 7 cofounders are all cashing out day one? Lol.
                                          • skybrian 13 minutes ago
                                            Do you have a source for that? The linked article just says “certain existing stockholders.”
                                          • Verdex 1 minute ago
                                            They're selling shares but it doesn't look like they're cashing out to me. Dario is going from 3.6% to 3.2% and then also losing 2% of his voting power.

                                            Sure, he's putting aside the possibility of being a 10 trillionaire in exchange for merely being a billionaire and then maybe being a 100 billionaire later. But, I mean at some point there's diminishing returns on having a mountain of cash that would make a dragon blush.

                                            • moralestapia 24 minutes ago
                                              Lol, can you quote that part?

                                              And yes, of course, the scam is almost done. Time to go the bank $$$.

                                              • georgeecollins 13 minutes ago
                                                It's not a scam if you do it in the open and don't break any laws. Look at SPCX. A lot of retail investors are just dumb. There are people here who will go off about how great a company it is-- fine, no argument. That's not what makes a good investment.

                                                Americans want to invest how they want. They want to strike it big and the way the world works is most of them won't. I think we need to be at peace with that and maybe adjust the tax code some.

                                                • bix6 8 minutes ago
                                                  Normal people are not reading an S1 and don’t understand the various levers that can be manipulated. The SEC is dropping the ball imo.
                                                  • dwemthy 0 minutes ago
                                                    SEC has 2 of what should be 5 commissioners, it's hardly functional
                                                    • outside1234 3 minutes ago
                                                      The SEC is working exactly as it is bribed to work right now
                                              • outside1234 27 minutes ago
                                                Griftfest 2026 is on the road!

                                                "The proposed offering consists of 825,000,000 shares of Class A common stock. Of these, 801,351,354 shares are being offered by Anthropic and 23,648,646 shares are being offered by certain existing stockholders. Anthropic will not receive any proceeds from the sale of shares by the selling stockholders."

                                                WTF - so basically insiders / investors are dumping their stock on dumb money retail investors / our 401ks and the company is getting NOTHING?

                                                • Traster 19 minutes ago
                                                  They're offering about $65Bn, of which about $1.8Bn is from existing stock holders. That's a tiny amount of shares from existing stock holders and probably not anyone who works at the company.
                                                  • bix6 2 minutes ago
                                                    See my other comment, I believe it’s the 7 founders.
                                                  • HarHarVeryFunny 14 minutes ago
                                                    Wouldn't "by Anthropic" mean by the company itself - new shares to raise money? In that case the 23M shares being sold "by existing stockholders" would include the founders, and seems surprisingly small ~1.7B at $75/share.

                                                    Maybe founders and employees aren't allowed to sell yet?

                                                    • margalabargala 22 minutes ago
                                                      Why would the company get anything from someone else selling? It isn't the company's share.

                                                      The company is making a lot of money from the 800M shares they do own that they are selling.

                                                    • ath3nd 25 minutes ago
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